Jen (00:01.098)
Louise, welcome to the Mumsafe Movement podcast. How are you?
Louise (00:05.251)
I'm really well, thank you. How are you?
Jen (00:07.718)
I am good, although I say I'm good and it's like that, how are you? And I was just sharing with you that I'm, I'm kind of running on that tight, tight rope or the I'm at capacity. Um, and somehow I keep trying to add more things, but then I'm also writing all these things about time management at the moment and going, I need to take a bit of my own fucking advice right now, which I will, and I also know that this period will come to an end. So yeah.
Louise (00:32.663)
Sounds very familiar.
Jen (00:36.862)
Lou, before we get going, like dive right in, let's do a word, a win and a working on. So share those with us.
Louise (00:45.683)
So my word, it's very rare I get to say this, but I feel in control. It doesn't often happen, I know, that doesn't happen to me. My win is I have one spot left until I'm so proud of the entire rest of the year, which is very exciting. There's a lot of power behind that, getting into say that. And my winning one is my round three of my online course, the Body Resilient One project. So it's leading up to that and doing all the exciting fun stuff around that.
Jen (00:50.69)
Ooh.
Jen (01:04.141)
Absolutely.
Jen (01:14.582)
So are you, you're putting the kind of launch together and doing all that kind of thing, your emails and what are some of the key things that you're doing at the moment?
Louise (01:23.583)
So writing a campaign calendar around that where I can plan out what emails need to be sent out, a lead magnet that is on the top of my to-do list. I wanna build up that mailing list and offer something kind of for free as well. So I'm brand new, I'm sure we'll talk about this later, but it all feels very new still, this online space. So I'm still kind of like.
Jen (01:38.945)
Mmm.
Louise (01:48.115)
promoting my stuff and saying, hey, I know about this. Look at me, look at me. So I'm just trying to offer some free advice and offer that knowledge out, hence the lead magnet. So kind of everything around that. And then having that date of doors are open, try and sell, follow up, follow up, follow up. What was that?
Jen (02:07.958)
Yep, and what date are the doors opening? What date are the doors opening? What did you commit to? We did this. Hey.
Louise (02:13.851)
Oh, God, Jen, I don't know. Yeah, I need to set everything out. It is it is in the diary. I just put it in my head. Yeah, 23.
Jen (02:22.074)
Oh okay so we're just waiting for the day.
Jen (02:27.966)
Okay, is it 2023 or 2024? I'm sure it's 2020. Yeah, cool. And we'll talk about that a little bit more too, because it's an exciting thing that you're up to. And people might want to find out more. Cool. So let's go right back to the beginning. Let's find out a little bit about your story. You can hear what I can hear by your accent that you clearly did not grow up in Australia. At some point, you came here, you started in the fitness industry. I know you had a career before that give us the rundown.
Louise (02:38.863)
I hope so.
Louise (02:49.323)
Thank you.
Louise (02:58.239)
So my background is psychology. I've got an undergrad and a master's in psychology from the UK. And then I worked in various mental health settings and universities for about 11 years before coming to Australia. Me and my husband, we met at university, so we're both English. It was a really weird situation, actually, say weird, unique situation. My mom, my dad, my three younger brothers, they all moved.
out to Australia before I did, about 10 years before. I stayed in the UK, built up that career, and then me and my husband got married, and then we came out here and worked in psychology for a little bit at St Vincent's in Sydney, which was so much fun. It was great, I mean it was my first job in Australia as well, so I was getting my head around like what is this super, what do you want
Jen (03:44.062)
be full on. Would be full on a good learning experience?
Louise (03:56.147)
So it was all like brand new. But yeah, it was just a really good way to meet new people and like just start work. And then I had a baby and everything changed. So just when I was kind of finding my feet and you know, I'd probably been there about three years-ish. It all kind of happened at the same time. Funding for the project came to an end because I was working on online CB Cognitive Behavioral Therapy courses for child anxiety and depression.
Um, funding was coming into an end. I was possibly thinking of doing something else. Then found out we were pregnant. It's like, things are going to change really quickly. So had my baby, um, had 10 months of maternity leave, which was amazing. And then nobody tells you how hard it is to return to work after your maternity leave. I feel like there's, there's no information on
how to deal with it, how to leave your baby, you know, that these feelings of guilt are all normal. There was none of that. So I went back to work. She went to daycare. She hated it. I hated dropping her off. She literally cried the whole way to daycare. I dropped her off. She cried at daycare. And then I'd run off, because I ran to work, so I'd run off. And then I'd pick her up after work and she was still crying. I'm sure there were points in the day where she wasn't, but that's...
Jen (05:18.07)
Oh my goodness.
But that's heartbreaking.
Louise (05:22.779)
It is heartbreaking. And at the end of it all, I was left with about $100. So I was paying for daycare, I was working part-time and I went back to a job that I thought I enjoyed but didn't enjoy anymore because my priorities had changed. And then I got $100 left. It's like, this sucks. Yeah, no, it was awful.
Jen (05:42.158)
$100 heartache money, which is really not worth it. Ha ha.
Louise (05:48.395)
So then the opportunity to move up to the Central Coast came along. So Hopi got offered a job on the Central Coast and I could have either looked for another job in psychology or it was like, or do we retrain? Like I'd kind of talked about it, not too seriously, but we've talked about it before. It's like I could do fitness because I've always been into fitness, my background is gymnastics and so like oh I could retrain and then the opportunity came up. I was like
could really like I could actually really do it. So I did. And so because I was working part time in my spare time, spare time. So I did the course. It was all online. And then got a PT qualification. And it was like, at the door at the virtual door, there you go, you're ready.
Jen (06:29.199)
So much better.
Jen (06:42.775)
See ya.
Jen (06:47.494)
I love the looks of the light there. The laugh.
Louise (06:49.727)
That's pretty much it. And at the time, I thought, wow, that was a really good course. I've learned so much. I could train anyone. Like we covered all areas. This was eight, eight years ago, eight and a half years ago. And I was like, I know everything. Like I'll just learn on the job and I will target all audiences, all walks of life, all people, young people, mums.
And it's not until I started working with moms, I was like, holy shit, I know nothing. Like, these questions were coming at me. It's like, I don't know, we didn't cover that in the course. In fact, looking back on it, I don't think we covered anything about pregnancy or postpartum period in that training. Anyway, so it was then like, I need to learn a little bit more. So I did a very basic course.
Jen (07:20.855)
Hmm
Jen (07:34.135)
Mm.
Louise (07:45.299)
when Millie was really little, and started working with more moms, but still kind of spreading my net as far as possible and trying to get as many people as possible. So not only was I unsure of how to answer questions from moms and how to really look after them postpartum and during pregnancy, but I also had no idea how to run a business. Like it was stressful. Like I was kind of finding my feet.
not making any money, spending so much admin time on all the stupid little bits like a website and all these bits that I had no clue about. And I was at the point of going, I'm gonna pack this in. Like, I would cry, I would cry most nights because I didn't know what I was doing. And it was like, I'm trying so hard, surely if I put in all these hours, it has to pay off. But I think that was the logic. It's like, I'm working so hard.
Jen (08:28.438)
Oh.
Louise (08:39.311)
something has to come of this and every now and then like my husband will go are you sure you want to do this? Which like he's looking at from me going like it's okay if it's too hard you can you can go and get a job so I'm like you have no confidence in me there was no there was no win-win situation like oh I don't know what to do I was ready to quit and um and then found out I was pregnant with my second baby
which was a massive surprise because I was 18 weeks pregnant, not like a little bit pregnant. So I did not, I just thought I was bloated. I was like, oh, I feel a bit uncomfortable. So 18 weeks pregnant with my second. And you know, I went for that first scan thinking they'd say eight or 10. I was like, oh, 18, right. Okay. Shoot. Yeah.
Jen (09:10.994)
Oh my goodness.
Jen (09:18.562)
Just a bit.
Jen (09:31.598)
I've got a funny story. Can I tell you a funny story just to interject? So we used to run, I think I might've told you this before, but I'll tell everyone. We used to run workshops with Joe, with our physio for the moms that trained at Body Beyond Baby. And I had a one-on-one client who came along to the thing. And we're doing real-time ultrasound and everyone showing them their pelvic floor, showing them their TA. And prior to this, I'd had all this backwards and forwards with this mom saying, I just can't, like my stomach just is so.
Louise (09:48.826)
into your work.
Jen (09:59.882)
like feel so big all the time and I just can't, no matter what I do, it's not, nothing's changing. I was like, okay, like what else could be going on anyway? So Joe's doing the pelvic floor scan and she like flicks it up and she's like, are you pregnant? And she's like, no. And she's like, are you sure? And she flipped the like the RTU up and she was pregnant and she was 18 weeks pregnant and that's what triggered it. And she had a baby like under.
why not under 18 months? So she not only did she find out she was pregnant in front of this room of people, but she already had a tiny baby. Anyway, I just had to tell that story because it's like, holy fuck, people just don't know sometimes and yeah.
Louise (10:42.849)
Oh my god. No. No, I was on the pill. And so my periods weren't like that regular anyway. They'd be really light. And then I kept, I carried on having a period. So I had no indication. I didn't feel sick. I didn't feel more tired than usual. So there was no indication until I did miss one. I was like, that's a bit odd. And I'm feeling a bit off now. Like 18 weeks.
Jen (10:46.152)
Uhhh!
Louise (11:08.796)
And then, yeah, he turned, he was early, so he turned up at 27 weeks. He was a premier, but he had like nine weeks of being paid. Yeah. So that obviously put business on the back burner to the point where I was like, I don't care because I was ready to quit anyway. So my focus is now all on my family and just getting through this. We spent...
Jen (11:13.218)
Fuck me.
And now I'm with pregnancy.
Louise (11:32.095)
three months, I think, 109 days in the NICU. So he was in there for 109 days. We, that was in North Shore. We were living in Gosford on the central coast. So we were like backwards and forwards for that amount of time. But we did get to spend lots and lots of time in the NICU. And you talk to all the other moms in there and we're learning about, I was learning about their story, sitting around Express, we've got these vacuums on our boobs.
Jen (11:35.039)
Mm.
Louise (12:01.783)
expressing milk and we just used to scoot our chairs around and we'll have a little chat with each other. And almost everyone had some sort of traumatic birth experience, whether they would see it as traumatic or not. On paper you'd say it was traumatic and for some women that meant emergency C-sections, for other women it was a very fast delivery and so baby was in the knee queue for some reason.
Jen (12:12.331)
Mm-hmm.
Louise (12:27.987)
But what I found is that women talking to me about, or you know, we're sharing stories, no one had any information on how to move afterwards. And not necessarily, here's how you get back to the gym, but this is how you get up out of a chair. Like you've just had abdominal surgery, it might have been an emergency. Do you know you shouldn't drive? Do you know you shouldn't pick up?
your little one a week after surgery or something. You know, like my daughter was two and a half and she was big. So there's none of that until you're discharged. But because a lot of women were in there and they were not well, you weren't discharged until about two or three weeks after delivery. So you don't get that information until three weeks on down the line. But in the meantime, in that first three weeks, you're just kind of like just moving however you can.
you know, those knee-cure chairs, they're really deep because you'd lie back and you have your baby on your chest for so long. So then you're like getting up and trying to use those abdominal muscles to get up. So there's no guidance around that at all. For me, I had help syndrome. So there's a lot going on with my liver and my kidneys as well. So I do realize that the women's health physio was on the bottom of that priority list, but none of it was on offer.
So there was none of that help. And the same with the other women in there as well. There's none of that guidance and that help that would have been useful to just do the basic stuff. Even poo, like, you know, like here's how you can relax your pelvic floor after this traumatic experience. Or here's how to just relax in this time of stress. Like it's really stressful. Here's how you can try and relax your pelvic floor after that trauma. So then on the other side of this crazy journey,
We got back and I thought about going back into business. I was like, this is where I want to go now. I'm not going to throw my net as wide as possible. I'm going to work with moms and I'm going to help moms to either return to exercise and get back to the exercise that they love or just move safely after C-section, vaginal birth, through pregnancy, whatever it is. And then at that point, it's like, I need to learn more. I need to learn so much more because I didn't know the answers.
Louise (14:46.571)
And I wanted to be that person that had the answers for them because I've been in that situation and I didn't know how to move or, you know, how to pick up a toddler safely. So I presume that other mums were also in that situation and I wanted to be that go-to person. And then you just popped into my world. I don't know if I've been following you already, I think.
Jen (15:08.119)
Mm.
Jen (15:12.557)
Wait, how did that happen?
Louise (15:16.123)
And then yeah, right. Yeah, absolutely.
Jen (15:16.204)
Yep.
just was hanging out. Right time, right place. Yeah, yeah. Awesome. So then you would have signed up for safe return to exercise first, right? And that was back when we were doing it face to face. Yeah, so good.
Louise (15:32.623)
It was, it was so good. I think the doors were open. The, I think the mom's safe doors were open and I was like, can I get in? Like, I really want to be part of this. And you're like, well, I'd like you to just say, pretend to exercise. The next course is here. I was literally like, take my money. I'll pay for it now. Can I get in? And then can I do safe return to exercise? I think this I'd seen, I've followed a few other people's like mags and.
buggy boot camp. I was like, that is exactly where I want to be. So, you know, you see the people in your field, you're like, I want to know what they know. I want to do what they do. You're the person to get me there. And I was so sure. I was like, this is definitely, you know, you get feelings sometimes about stuff. This is definitely where I want to go. So yeah, so I think I joined MomSafe with the promise that I do safe return to exercise. And I did.
Jen (16:05.943)
Hmm.
Louise (16:29.919)
I was like, this is so good. Like this is, that was everything that I needed to know. And then just being part of like Border Beyond Baby back then, but now Mum's Safe, all the stuff that follows like the consistent education, it all changes, doesn't it? Like, when did I just say pretend to exercise? Six, five, six, go.
Jen (16:44.298)
Mm.
Jen (16:50.482)
I remember sitting in the, have a drink with you afterwards. Yeah, it was, yeah. It was a long time, what? Yeah, it was a few years ago now. Yep.
Louise (16:56.468)
Yeah.
Louise (16:59.847)
Yeah, about five years ago. And you think about the research that's gone into like, um, training women with diastasis that's changed heaps in five years. So the beautiful thing that I love about mom safe is that we get to keep up with that, like you really, it's not like your training has an expiry date. So safe return to exercise might have been five years ago for me, but I know that the education that I get now is like so today.
Jen (17:08.343)
Hmm.
Jen (17:15.756)
Yep.
Jen (17:25.751)
Mm.
What, from a business perspective, like what were you?
Jen (17:37.059)
what were you struggling with? Because obviously you'd given it a go first, or what did you wanna do different that made you find some support?
Louise (17:41.28)
Thank you.
Louise (17:45.119)
BOOM!
Louise (17:51.332)
Oh, so many things, so many levels. I guess firstly financially, I think I was making close to nothing. You know, like $200, I'm not sniffing at $200, $200 is like $200, but when you have to pay for a website and I don't know, a license fee for training outdoors, like that $200 does not cover it. So for me, it wasn't enough.
Jen (17:56.357)
Okay.
Louise (18:18.107)
So financially, I wanted to make more money. I wanted to know how to get clients, like where do these clients come from? How do you tell people this is what you're doing and this is what you know and you can help them? Like, I had no idea. And then the continuous education as well. It's like, well, I wanna keep learning. Like I wanna know more. I can do this course, which is amazing, but then I want that support around me and that continuous education. Then yeah.
Jen (18:38.687)
Mm.
Louise (18:46.795)
course the support as well because it's lonely in business. I reckon that's what I felt the strongest at the point where I was ready to give up and find out I was pregnant again. It was so lonely. It's like, who else is going through this? And where are they? And how do I talk to these people? And how can they help me? And you just don't know where to turn when you're on your own. It's so hard.
Jen (19:12.286)
It is and everyone's like, it's like that even new motherhood, right? New business, new motherhood, like whatever it is, you're sitting there, you're going through this thing, maybe you're crying and you're like, I'm literally on my own. And the experience for you in that moment is that nobody else is going through the same experience. And the reality is, lots of people are and as a new mom, you got to find your tribe and as a new business owner, you got to do the same. Yeah.
Louise (19:26.547)
Yeah.
Louise (19:36.011)
Well, you think that everyone else has got their shit together. You're like, everyone knows what they're doing. Everyone else's baby is sweeping through. Everyone else is making so much more money than me. Like, what is it me?
Jen (19:39.313)
Yes, that.
Jen (19:47.454)
Yeah. And I think both motherhood and business, that too. It's, it's the two things that we willingly show the highlight reel, right? We show the baby sleeping or we show the beautiful baby photos and we show when we've got it all together. And then with the business, we show the, you know, we make it look like what's like, I remember my dad saying to me so many times, Oh, your business is doing amazing. Like I watch it on Facebook. And I'm like, dude,
Louise (20:10.475)
Thanks for watching!
Jen (20:16.738)
You're no fucking idea. Like you're watching on Facebook. Why don't you come and ask me? Like it's supposed to look good on Facebook, but let's have a conversation about that. And we all need our tribe of people that just go, it's really not that good, or it's really not that easy. Yeah.
Louise (20:21.323)
Thank you.
Louise (20:26.155)
Thanks for watching!
Louise (20:32.711)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I get that a lot, actually. People will say, how are you? It looks like business is going so well. You're like, ugh. Ha ha.
Jen (20:43.286)
It's like, and you know what? Business is probably going really well. And in comparison to where you were on other people that are watching, yes, it's going well, but there's all the other shit, no matter what level you are at business going on, that you need to be able to talk about. And you need safe spaces and people to kind of outlet that too.
Louise (20:58.695)
Yeah. And we talk about balance so much, don't we? It's like, well, what is balance in your business life? And we feel like it should be, everything should be here. And it's not like things are up here and other things are down here, but it all kind of switches. And I think that's when people say, Oh, you're doing so well, it looks like you're doing so well. That's when you're going, no, because I know I've like I've dropped the plate on here. I've, you know, I've let this drop. And then when you were around other business
Jen (21:02.955)
Hmm.
Jen (21:07.85)
everything like that all the time.
Louise (21:27.227)
in the Momsafe team, you realize everyone's doing that. And that's normal. And what's down here, you'll pick up again in a few weeks or something.
Jen (21:30.541)
Yeah.
Jen (21:34.718)
So I guess on that, like what does balance mean to you? Like how do you, if you, what I just heard you say is we can't live and I completely agree with you. There is no such thing as a work life balance or any kind of fucking balance. So what to you means that you're in balance?
Louise (21:46.291)
Yeah, perfect.
Louise (21:53.271)
I think for me it's knowing what's a priority either for that week or that fortnight or that month, you know, whatever period it is, knowing what's the priority and making sure that those needs are met and that might not always be business. Like it might be there might be something in the family going on in which case business might have to slow down a little bit and then other times it might be like okay so I'm going to fill these spots for my classes that's my priority.
And maybe my online course kind of takes a backseat for a little bit. So it's just, I think it's giving myself permission to go, it's okay to drop the ball on that one while I do this. And then something else gets my love and attention and just, just having that permission to go and that's okay.
Jen (22:34.104)
Hmm.
Jen (22:41.62)
How do you give yourself permission to do that when you feel like your business is a priority over your family?
Louise (22:53.499)
I don't know if, like sometimes it has to take pro, I don't know, does it? I feel like a bad mum now I say that. I think sometimes it does when I know that the family stuff is going okay. It's always changing though. I don't think there's any hard and fast rule is that like, it's all very fluid. And what you might feel is.
Jen (22:59.678)
No, don't, because I've got my own answer, but I'm interested in your answer.
Jen (23:14.999)
Mm.
Louise (23:18.619)
a time when you should be giving your business some more attention and you'd like, you'd want to get your head down. Maybe some sort of disaster happens with the kids and that doesn't get to happen. And so just allowing yourself to change or your priorities to change slightly and be fluid and come back to things. That's really important for me. I feel like I've lost sight of the question. Sorry, Jen.
Jen (23:41.862)
No, that's okay. And I think just to give some context around, I think what you articulated, though, articulated, sometimes I can't speak, was really good and allowing giving yourself permission for what needs to be important right now to be important and for that to kind of go up and down. And there are going to be times in your business, depending on where you are in your campaign calendar, that you know, energetically that you are leaning into the business. I think for me,
I know that I have periods of time where like now I'm like, I'm trying to get everything done before the 29th of November and my sister arrives. But what I know is if I can hold this level of stuff for the next four weeks, I've cleared my plate aside from like one or two like a mastermind session or something else. December is blank. Like it for me balance is understanding my cycles.
understanding that I can't hold everything at the same time. And knowing that I've got a holiday to Noosa booked and we've got family coming and we've got a holiday to Perth booked. And it's more, I think that if I was living in this state forever, like I honestly feel like my heart rate is high. You know, there's no real room for error. It's like, I remember back in Body Beyond Baby days when I'd be racing from one place to another. It's like, if I get a red light, I'm late.
And that's how I feel like my world is a little bit now, but I also get to balance that with.
That's only for four weeks. But if that was for 24 weeks, I'd be a fucking mess.
Louise (25:21.095)
It's kind of like, like if you're to do a really hard workout at your gym, a gym, wherever, and it's that cardio sprint, you know, you can do it for a short period of time, like this is like your business cardio, like you can do a short period of time, you know that you're not going to do it for two hours straight, without burning out and dying. So yeah, kind of the same, like I think as long as you've got that in your head, that yes, I'm going to go hard. Yes, it's going to be difficult.
Jen (25:27.234)
Yeah.
Louise (25:49.399)
yes, I might lose out on a bit of sleep, but for the next two weeks, four weeks, whatever, you know that there's an end to it. Whereas at the beginning of my business, so before I knew what I was doing, makes me sad.
Jen (26:03.351)
We, none of us know what we're doing at all ever really, we're just making shit up as we go along.
Louise (26:07.083)
Before I was a degree, when I first started, it was that pace all the time, but it wasn't getting anywhere. So for me, it was just like, just go hard and fast and try and do everything, take everything on. But I didn't have that end point. It was just all I could see in the future was, well, this is it. This is what running a business is like. So I got to the point where I was like, I'm going to give up. Like, I can't do this anymore.
Jen (26:14.316)
Yeah.
Jen (26:33.25)
So on that then what were the key things that shifted when you started doing business a different way or what were the key things you either implemented or you can take that in any direction you like.
Louise (26:43.787)
Woo, so many directions. Having a financial goal was a big one, and then going, okay, well, how are you gonna get there? Because you could have, you know, I could say, well, I wanna earn more money. It's like, well, how much more? Like, what's a goal and how are you gonna get there? So how many clients do you need for that? What are you gonna charge them? And then once that's kind of laid out, it's like, oh, okay, so.
to get to this financial goal, I need to get so many clients. And that means so many groups, and that means so many hours of work. And then everything could kind of fall into place from there. My time as well, knowing like getting someone like you to say, you do not have to work until midnight every night. It's like, you should not be working until midnight every night. I'm just being.
smart as well with my time. It's like, okay, do you know how to build a website? No. So you find someone who does, or you find like a, I don't know, Squarespace or Kajabi now or whatever. And it's like, so you don't have to do these things yourself because it is a massive strain on my time. And I don't think I valued my time before either. It was just, I just thought if I pump my energy and time into stuff, things will happen.
and that is not how it works, is it? So now I like value my time and I know what my time is worth. I can be more precious with it. And so, yeah, so being able to outsource or be smarter with what I spend time on was a massive game changer. What else? I feel like there's so many things I don't actually know where to start. Numbers, oh my gosh, Jen, knowing my numbers, like.
Jen (28:16.72)
Hmm.
Louise (28:30.259)
But just feel like when you don't know them, you're just going into it blind, which kind of already kind of talked about it financially anyway. But if you know what your maximum capacity is and how many groups you're going to run each week, like that's where you're going. Like that is like the major part of your business plan. And that's kind of how I went from. I'm burnt out. I don't know what I'm doing, but I want to make more money to, oh, okay. So I'm here.
and I'm going to get to here. Like, it just kind of cleared up so much more space instead of it being all fluffy and fuzzy in my head and going, I want to make more money, but I don't know how much more. And I don't know how. And I don't know how many people I want. Like that stresses me out just thinking about it. Yeah, so those three. So financially, kind of knowing where I wanted to get to, knowing how to get there, so knowing my numbers.
Jen (29:11.67)
Mm.
Louise (29:27.099)
and then being precious with my time.
Jen (29:29.27)
Hmm, I like that precious with your time. It's good. So before you said I wanted to become known as the go to person and to be completely honest, I would say you are the go to person now in your area like there's an absolute fuckload of trainers, sorry for my language, but I'm on the central coast in that area that are now specializing in working with moms and I really do feel like you're the OG kind of person that elevated that in that area.
So if you think back to, okay, you know your numbers, you know where you wanna go, you know how many bums on seats you need, what were some of the key actions that you did right at the beginning, like the first two or three things to start to put in place that profile of yours or I'm gonna become the go-to trainer for moms.
Louise (30:18.951)
Yeah, that's a really good question. A lot of the time, it's not just about throwing yourself out there and going, hey, mums, this is me. I know everything. It's about, which I thought that's what it would be. It's just like telling your audience what you do and that you know it all. Because it's actually, I know you all come to me. It was collaborations with other allied health professionals.
Jen (30:39.382)
Telling them. Telling. Yep.
Jen (30:47.767)
Mm.
Louise (30:50.523)
So I wanted to make sure that the mums I worked with were well looked after and when you do safe return to exercise and join the MumSafe team you realise how important it is to work with women's health physios. You know, like I met up with a few and told them what I was doing but I also wanted to learn from them. So I fully went in going this is what I've done, this is the course I've done, this is the membership I'm part of but I'd still like to learn more from you.
And that was like a massive kind of like opening into their world because I think so many women's health physios were then like, yeah, like, I'd like you to learn more too, rather than me going to them and saying, I've got this, like, send your lawyer to me because I've done this qualification and I know this. I kind of went in and went, I'd like to learn more from you. So could we, you know, could I send some people to you and you send some people to me? But I'd really like to know along the way, like what you're doing and why.
Jen (31:30.027)
Mmm.
Louise (31:46.471)
And I've still got those, I was gonna say friendships, they are friendships, like we get on really well with a lot of the women's health physios. But pretty much all those relationships I've still got and I'm collecting them, so it's like, go on. It's just making new relationships with people. And then other people as well, like dieticians, podiatrists, other people like that, just kind of like putting your name out there saying, this is what I do, but without saying,
Jen (31:50.286)
See ya.
Yep.
Jen (32:01.486)
Good.
Louise (32:16.167)
And I know, and I know it all. Like, I wanna learn from you and I would like to send my ladies to you to make sure that they were looked after. And in return, could you recommend me, please? And it's just that, I think it's that two way trust and communication and working together. And then outside of that, cafes, because mums need their coffee.
Jen (32:17.562)
Mmm.
Jen (32:29.748)
Hmm.
Jen (32:37.102)
cafes.
Louise (32:41.095)
and there are so many mums walking around because we're just on the waterfront and there's some beautiful little cafes along there and so just going in showing my face saying hi I've got some leaflets could I leave them with you and now I go in and because we know each other I get through a lot of coffee as well you know I can walk in without going oh I'm really sorry could I give you some leaflets and it's like hey how are you can I give you the and it's just so easy and chatty and I actually get a lot of referrals from the cafe.
Jen (33:09.806)
from the coffee shop. I love it.
Louise (33:11.851)
Yeah, because one of the guys who's in the local coffee shop, he'll see the mums and he'll have a chat to them and say, you know, there's like a mum's fitness group down there and yeah, which is awesome.
Jen (33:22.742)
We should put, what's the cafe? Tommy's Cafe. Let's make sure we put Tommy's Cafe in the show notes because is his name Tommy? Is the dude Tommy that, okay. So the manager, what's his name? Naaman who's referred, like he is an advocate for mom's health and fitness. And that's amazing. And that's what we need in our communities. And when you create a relationship like that, it's...
Louise (33:25.727)
Tommy's in Gosford. Ha ha.
Louise (33:35.815)
helps.
Louise (33:39.492)
Name'em.
Louise (33:45.31)
Mmm.
Jen (33:52.894)
it's such a win-win like they're going into the coffee shop and you know, getting their coffee, they're getting in contact with you and I imagine you're also sending people that come to train with you to the coffee shop. Yeah.
Louise (33:57.705)
Yeah.
Louise (34:04.691)
all the time. We'll have our little socials there sometimes as well. But I think I bought that up because my point is it doesn't have to be women's health physios. I mean, they should. That should be your basis of who you're learning from and who you're sending your clients to if you're working with mums, but also going outside the box and going, so they're not even in the health and fitness industry, but you can kind of see how it all ties in as this community.
Jen (34:13.367)
Hmm
Jen (34:31.647)
Yep.
Louise (34:33.519)
Another thing I did, so as well as like building those relationships with people, was to put on my big girl pants and actually talk to some moms in the park, like just go up and strike up a conversation. I remember when it used to feel so scary and I was trying to think of why the other day I was like, why was this so scary for me? And I think it's the idea of rejection. People would go, no, thank you. It's like, does that matter?
Jen (35:00.518)
Yeah
Louise (35:01.907)
Thanks, I told him you'll leave for it. I think that's fine. So over the years, just kind of going along and, you know, having a bit of chat with some mums, a lot of the time I'll take my phone with me and open up notes on my phone. And once we start talking, I'll be like, oh, would you like me to send you some more information? Like I can refer some women's health physios to you, or maybe I could email you about my class times. And a lot of the times, mums will share their phone number and their email with me. So I have that on my phone.
Jen (35:18.754)
Hmm.
Louise (35:31.271)
And then I've got like another contact. So when it's time to start groups again, like I get in touch with those moms and say, like we were chatting in the park, how are you? Just to let you know, trials are starting soon. But yeah, there was a point where it was terrifying to just go up to random people who I didn't know, give them a leaflet and start talking. It's fine now. I think people, I think the moms see me because I'm there so often and they try not to make eye contact.
She's got her leaflets.
Jen (36:02.574)
I think every single mom safe trainer who comes into the group and we're like, go give some flies out. They're like, what? Like, I can't do that. And you it's like this huge fear of rejection. And then over time, every single person kind of says, that's really because there's only three things that can happen. Right? Number one is they say no, thank you. And you go, okay, cool. Number two is they take the flyer and you don't have a conversation. And number three is they you take the flyer and you create a connection, which is gold.
Louise (36:11.749)
Is that safe?
Louise (36:30.187)
Hmm.
Jen (36:30.762)
And you know, Lou, the thing that stood out for me in all of those three things, it's relationship building. Really, really solid relationship building in your community. And not only trying to bring people to you, but creating relationships that have a mutual benefit.
Louise (36:36.745)
Yeah.
Louise (36:54.219)
Hmm. Yeah. And being part of that community as well, rather than just being there and being seen. It's like, no, like I can put you in touch with this person and did you know you could go get coffee over there? And, you know, have you seen the war crime there? It's beautiful. You could go take your prime. And just kind of, yeah, building that community, even if you're not going to keep in touch with these women. It's kind of being...
Jen (37:01.577)
Yeah.
Jen (37:15.554)
Hmm. Yep. Okay. So you've launched your group training business. You're running some you're running some PT at the same time.
Louise (37:24.167)
I'm doing personal training as well, yes.
Jen (37:25.93)
Yep, cool. And how long did it take you to kind of get to that oversubscribed, sold out kind of point? Can you remember? And I know it goes up and down depending on like seasons and things like that. But the goal of being, can you remember the first time you were oversubscribed?
Louise (37:35.846)
Yeah, yeah.
Louise (37:42.152)
Yeah, three years ago and it was coming up to it was either coming up to Christmas or just after Christmas but it's that busy time of the summer and it was yeah it's like I can actually like this is doable like I could do this when you get to about you know seven more spots you're like this might actually happen like I could actually do it and then as long as like you've been sensible with your time as well it's not like I'm gonna run two classes a day and
Jen (37:55.351)
Mm.
Louise (38:10.375)
work seven days a week. So that's like seven million people spots to fill. Well, how about you know, however many, as long as like, you know, like that you've set a realistic target. Yeah. So it got to that point. I was like, Oh, I might be able to do this. And then yeah. When I sold that last spot, it's like, I did it. And, and for me, that was really powerful because then you're
Jen (38:21.139)
Mm.
Jen (38:32.066)
And then you put the big sold out sticker on your Instagram or yep.
Louise (38:39.623)
the people who see either your EDMs or your posts or, you know, wherever you're saying sold out, which is everywhere. And like, oh, that's in demand. So I should either put my name down on the waitlist or next time you say doors are open, it's like, I missed out last time. So I'm going to register this time, or just shows people like how popular your classes are. And maybe they hover around like I've had so many people like
Jen (38:50.949)
Mm.
Louise (39:08.519)
just hovering in the background, I recognize their name, they've interacted a few times over two years before they've worked with me. And it's like, and then one day it's like, oh, you've joined, that's great. So it might not be instant, but if you think over the years or over the course of a year, if you've been able to say, I've sold out, sold out, sold out, it's actually really powerful. And it might not be instant. Yeah.
Jen (39:20.41)
Mm. Yeah.
Jen (39:35.914)
Yeah, social proof. Absolutely, yep. Okay, so we've got sold out sessions, we're running PT, we're running groups. The beauty of sold out sessions means that you've now got this chunk of time when you're running and delivering those sessions to think about the growth of your business. So where did you go next?
Louise (39:54.363)
I think this is maybe why I've picked in control is my word. So I was like, I'm nearly sold out. And that has now given me the mental space to now think about the next thing. Whereas a lot of the time you feel that you're chasing your tail a bit. You're like, I'm still trying to do that, but I'm still trying to move on to the next thing. Um, what was the question? Sorry.
Jen (39:58.658)
No.
Jen (40:04.462)
Mm-hmm.
Jen (40:16.627)
I'm the same. So you've sold out your sessions and now you've got this chunk of time. And I know that you've got other products and services in your offering. So what did you launch next? You launched, was that your membership or where did you go next? Yep.
Louise (40:27.759)
Well, I think it was PT after that because I remember when I used to say I don't like doing PT, I'm not going to offer PT. And then we went into COVID and the only way you could work was one on one. Yeah, I was like, do you really like this? Why didn't I do it before? So then that was PT. And then after that, it was the online membership, the online training membership. Do you want me to go into that or?
Jen (40:36.722)
Only thing you could do was pay tea. Ha ha.
Jen (40:47.756)
Yep.
Yeah, give us a two to three minute kind of run down on what that looks like.
Louise (40:53.191)
Well, this is like where the gold of the MUMSAFE membership comes in because there's myself and two other trainers. They're up in Queensland, so we're nowhere near each other. But because we're MUMSAFE trainers, we know each other. We know we're all qualified, we trust each other. And so we each of us had our own individual memberships. So I would run three groups, three classes that were online a week, and I think they did the same. And then we got together, we were like, well,
Can my clients come to yours and yours can come to mine? And if we offer all of our sessions, then we can offer our clients nine classes, but we only have to run three. So business is very separate. So my money is my money, their money is theirs, but we share kind of the workload between us and it works really well. So we get to offer whole week of classes, but only have to run three of them whilst keeping financially independent.
Jen (41:32.235)
Mm.
Louise (41:49.739)
So that was the next thing that was set up and that's kind of been building as well. And then recently it's been the Body Resilience Man project which is kind of like where I am going now.
Jen (42:02.858)
Yeah, so tell us. So I remember when we started talking about what's kind of next and we talked about, what's your superpower and it's for you it was, and correct me if I'm wrong, or we've evolved since then, but you've got this background of being a psychologist alongside being a personal trainer. So it's like, how can you start to bring those skills into something and you birthed the Body Resilient Mum project.
tell us what the mission behind the Body Resilient Mum project is.
Louise (42:36.415)
So the mission is to help moms feel confident in the skin that they're in. And that is without focusing on what they look like. So rather than saying, I can help you lose weight and feel confident, or I can help you get rid of your cellulite to make you feel confident. It's like, no, your body is not the problem. Let's change the way that you think about your body. Let's work around mindset. Let's look at...
the environment that you're in and how that is affecting your body image and why you feel that you have to reach these certain beauty standards, you know, where is that pressure coming from. So there's kind of like lots of different elements to it. And a lot of it comes down to being able to show self compassion to yourself. I think a lot of the time we think, if we're doing self improvement, if we're trying to lose weight, if we're trying to
shrink our waist, if we're trying to get rid of the cellulite and the rolls and the stretch marks, that is self-improvement. But it doesn't come from a place of compassion. It comes from a place of I should or these are the standards to which I'm holding myself to and I don't like the way my body is, so I'm going to try to get there. So it's kind of about rewiring that whole thing and going, if you are self-compassionate, if you could show that self-compassion,
Jen (43:43.357)
Hmm.
Louise (44:03.823)
and understand why we feel under pressure to get to those standards. You could change your mindset about the whole thing and actually see that those standards are unrealistic, that you can be healthy and fit without having to lose weight, without shrinking your body. And you actually don't need to look a certain way to be happy and confident. I think it's taking the messy middle out and going, you are here, you want to get here.
Let's not go through this dark, horrible, thorny forest of trying to change the way that you look. Let's go the self compassionate route and realize that the way that you look isn't going to affect your confidence and your happiness.
Jen (44:50.103)
It's that where you're finding yourself worth and can you value yourself without trying to change yourself? And then once you find that space you can change yourself if you want to, but it's where that's kind of coming from, right? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And
Louise (44:53.48)
Hmm, yep.
Louise (45:04.319)
Yes, yeah, it's the why, the why behind it.
Jen (45:12.566)
What is the business goal behind the Body Resilient Mum project?
Louise (45:19.571)
So the business goal, it feels really big now, I think about it, and it's probably not, but that's what I thought about Strong Mums to start with. Like, sold out is a really big business goal, but it's achievable. So the business goal is to match my financials. So I know what I make in a year per term, for Strong Mums, I want to be able to match that with my online course. So I want to be able to match what I earn for Strong Mums with the Body Resilient Mum project. Further on down the track.
Jen (45:26.782)
Hmm.
Jen (45:47.384)
Mm-hmm.
Louise (45:51.279)
I don't know if I should say this. timeframe on it. So suddenly all my clients leave.
Jen (45:52.822)
Ha ha
Jen (45:58.354)
Well, I know what you're going to say, but it gives you, why don't we frame it around you've got options.
Louise (46:03.311)
Yeah, yeah, so I might have options to sell the business or to change it, who knows, but having that financial backing there that is like, okay, so I can make that same amount of money doing this, where is that going to go now?
Jen (46:18.986)
Yeah, and you can either keep doing what you're doing and have double the money or to make choices around selling your group training business or reducing the hours or upping your prices or like so many it just gives you choice right? Yep.
Louise (46:22.058)
Mm-hmm.
Louise (46:34.839)
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, it could be that I do one small group training session a week or just do PT's or yeah, it's giving me that flexibility and freedom. Because what I said to you is that I love what I do, but I can't see myself doing it in the next five or 10 years. So, taking those changes now and trying to get to that financial stability where I am now but in something else, that's cool.
Jen (46:46.222)
Hmm.
Jen (46:52.943)
Yeah.
Jen (47:01.15)
Yep. I think this is really important and a lot of people are so like we've got to be focused on the now because we've got to implement what is happening right now. But also when you run your own business it's like there's no, no one's giving you a retirement plan. No one's paying you out a chunk of money at the end of when you don't want to do what you're doing anymore. So it's up to us to, whilst we're building what we're building from the ground up to also be projecting forwards and laying foundations for what future you might want to do.
Louise (47:16.971)
Yes. Yeah.
Jen (47:30.91)
And you're definitely doing that at the moment. Yep. Which is awesome. It's very exciting.
Louise (47:38.128)
Hey, thanks. It's exciting, a little bit scary as well, but then I think it should. Like I think new things should feel a little bit scary. Otherwise you're not thinking about it enough.
Jen (47:43.711)
Of course.
Yep.
Jen (47:51.206)
Yeah I mean you've got to be leveling up right? Like if it's not scary are you leveling up enough? Yep absolutely. Lou what has been some of the most hardest things in business for you let's say in the last 12 months?
Louise (47:54.547)
Yeah.
Yeah, you push yourself out of your comfort zone.
Louise (48:11.87)
oof um
Louise (48:16.031)
Definitely.
planning my time. So now I've almost, it feels like I've got two businesses now. I'm trying to not find, not keep that balance, but kind of almost switching between the two, knowing when to pump energy and time into one thing, and then switching to the other. Sometimes I get so focused on one thing, I totally forget about the other thing that I'm doing. So yeah, finding that time to do both has actually been really, really hard.
Jen (48:24.426)
Mm.
Louise (48:50.035)
Sometimes I feel like, it sounds so basic, but sometimes I feel like social media can be really hard. And it doesn't sound, I mean, it sounds like quite a small, a small little thing, but when people are on it so much, you kind of know how powerful it is. And sometimes I feel like, I don't know what I'm doing with it. And everyone else's posts are so much better. And that can feel really hard.
Jen (48:55.281)
Mm.
Louise (49:15.975)
And then, hmm, yeah, that's a tough one. I think the first one is the main one for me. It's knowing when to pump energy into one thing and then switch to the other without feeling like I'm failing at one.
Jen (49:21.326)
Hmm.
Jen (49:30.838)
Yeah, time's interesting, isn't it? And I've just put the boot camp together for the next open. And I made day one about time, and I was like, maybe time's not sexy enough. But then it's like, I'll underestimate the value of knowing how to manage your time to actually get shit done because I don't know about you, but I've definitely had moments of going, I wanna do all these things.
Louise (49:42.123)
Thanks for watching!
Jen (49:54.87)
Well, you just articulate it. When do I spend time here? And when do I spend time here? And how do I pick my kids up? And how do I cook the dinner? And how do I do all of these things? So on a bad day, you just do fucking nothing. Because, or you jump from 1200 different things and you don't even know the thing you did beforehand because you got distracted by something else and every single one of them needs to get done, but nothing has a priority. You don't really know what direction it's all taking you in. So. Ha ha ha.
Louise (50:17.689)
summed up the majority of my days there.
Jen (50:21.506)
But you have a strategy, right? And you have a plan. So imagine doing it without, and I have the same thing. I'm like, fuck, 12 things. Like, but I also know, go back to the systems and the process and the way I know what to do and how to do it. And when I'm overwhelmed, it's like, I literally have a list of those five action points and that is it. Yeah, so yeah, it's interesting. And we're all there, but I do think we underestimate and I don't care if time's not sexy. Hopefully people go fuck. If I mastered my time, I would get more shit done.
Louise (50:52.464)
I think if you did a poll to ask people like what is one of the hardest things in business at the moment and if you're, I mean the majority of people who you work with are probably mums because they're interested in training mums, that just seems to be what happens. I think it would be time, but like I do not have time for this, like I don't have time for doing that, I don't have time for doing that but I know I need to do it. I think that's what most of us would say.
Jen (51:17.318)
Yeah, it's funny because what we're attracted to is things like more people coming into the business and more success and more, you know, followers on social media. It's like, yeah, that's all good. But how you're gonna look after those people anyway, if you don't have your shit together with your time. So let's find that. Um, Lou, what would you say to somebody who is just getting started in the kind of mom space and
Louise (51:29.513)
Yeah.
Jen (51:43.734)
they don't feel like they've got any fucking time to get it. Like they, but what I know about those people that want to get started is their passion is so strong that they know that they want to do it, but they're kind of like sitting on the fence. Either they don't feel like they've got enough time or they're a bit worried about their confidence or something like that. What would your, you know, one or two key pieces of advice be for that person?
Louise (52:07.399)
I would say number one is don't think that everyone else knows what they're doing and has got their shit together because they don't. Either they're struggling with the same things as you but you don't see it or they're struggling with something else. Nobody has got their shit together. It's, it's everyone's kind of going through their own thing. So it's don't get put off because you think that everyone else is doing it and you can't do it. That's...
Jen (52:33.782)
Mm.
Louise (52:35.367)
absolutely not how it is. That's how I used to see it. It's like, but everyone's so good. I'm not. It's not like that at all. And with the time, I think it's being realistic. Like we've said, you cannot do everything. You cannot do everything at the same time. So what are the things like, where are you and where do you want to get to? And try to be specific as possible. So if that's financial, it's like, okay, so you're here and...
Jen (52:49.122)
Mmm.
Louise (53:03.547)
you want to get to this financial goal, or maybe it's to run three classes with 10 people in it per week. It's like, okay, so you're here and you want to get to here. So plan it out and then figure out, how are you going to get there? And then what are the priorities? What are the top three? Like you said, you have a list of five things to do. I'd say, I think I need three, any more than three. And I'm like, oh, I can't do it. So what are those three things that you need to do to get that done? And if you can't do it, where are you going to get the help?
Jen (53:33.39)
Mm. Ha ha!
Louise (53:37.458)
safe team. And then my third piece of advice would be surround yourself with people who are like-minded and who are doing the same thing. And you know for me that's the mon safe team because you just learn so much from people. Like sometimes even if you haven't got a question to ask and you just need a rant, like you can pop it in the group and you'll get advice or sympathy or you know like everyone it's just in your corner.
Jen (53:43.976)
Hmm.
Jen (53:59.982)
I'm gonna go to the bathroom.
Louise (54:03.407)
Um, and it's just what you need sometimes just to keep you going. Cause you, you have a lot of self-doubt when you work on your own and as a woman, which we shouldn't, but we do, um, because of it's a whole new podcast, isn't it? Um, yeah. So just to kind of help you work through that self-doubt and time management. Everything.
Jen (54:26.09)
Hmm.
everything, everything. I love it. Nice. I'm like I told you not to say that but...
Louise (54:29.855)
So that's my third piece of advice. Join the music team. Ha ha.
Louise (54:38.777)
It's like you just didn't know what to say. You actually said, do not say that.
Jen (54:44.01)
Anyway, it's, I really believe in, I want to say storytelling, but not just storytelling experience sharing, because I think you hit the nail on the head like in saying that people feel like they're alone and people get scared to jump into something new, or they worried about the financial commitment or something like that. And it's, we gain our confidence from learning others journeys and knowing that they were where we are now. And that if we
Louise (54:52.362)
only.
Jen (55:12.878)
follow a similar path or the same path, or at least take some steps to overcome whatever that fear is that's holding you back, then yeah, it's really, really helpful. Yeah.
Louise (55:24.167)
And to have that confidence in getting it wrong as well. Cause you don't get it right first time. Like I've, yeah, I've made so many mistakes and you learn from it. And then, so not only do you have the confidence to give it a go and fail and learn from that, you hear about other people failing and learn from that. And just going, all right, yeah, we'll give this bash.
Jen (55:42.787)
Hmm.
I got one more question before we start to wrap it up. Like when you were in that position in the early days and you had no money to invest in something, how did you overcome that? Because a lot of people will, what holds them back is they're like, oh, I don't know if I can invest, you know, we've talked about time, but financially in support when I'm not earning any money.
Louise (55:52.508)
Mm-hmm.
Louise (56:14.939)
I think I'm trying to think back. Um, I am really lucky. Like I'm very, I'm in a very privileged situation where my husband would have helped me out at the time, like his money was my money, my money, not that I had much was his, and so I had that to fall back on now if I was a single mom.
Jen (56:27.416)
Mm.
Louise (56:37.935)
I think the situation would have been very, very different if it was just me who I was relying on to pay for rent, to pay for everything else. So I was very lucky that it was like I had that support. But I think it was knowing just having that one thing that I was going to go, so this is what I'm putting my money on. And it was either, you know, the safe return to exercise course or looking at different financial avenues as well. It's like, okay, so I know I want to spend my money on...
Jen (56:41.272)
Hmm.
Louise (57:08.715)
I don't know, this piece of equipment or this piece of marketing. I'm just going to ask, can I pay for this in instalments or is there another way that I can pay for this? So sometimes just asking going, I'm new to business. Would this be a thing that I could do? And cause you know, if you don't ask, you don't get, or if you don't ask it's a hundred percent a no, but if you ask it's 50% a no, 50% yes.
Jen (57:27.778)
Mm.
Jen (57:33.426)
Yeah, yeah, I like that. And I think there's two conversations that come up for me around what you've just talked about. So one was an episode that I did, or we did on the Mumsave Movement podcast a while ago now with Mel Brown. And she's a financial expert, I don't like the word expert, but you know, specialist, whatever. She very much articulated that it's not.
just his money and it's not just your money and you've had a baby and you've got to figure out the best investment for the money that is coming into the household and some and sometimes that is investing in something that has not yet come to fruition. And the other one was the conversation with Amanda Comerford and she is a single mom and she was just like I was at a point where this had to work so I was willing to put my money, my time, my energy on the line so that I could build something that would help me to look after my children.
And everyone's got their own journey and, you know, there's so much respect to the decisions that go on for each individual person. And we as women should get to back ourselves when we believe in what we're getting done. Yeah, absolutely.
Louise (58:39.407)
Yeah, 100%. And a lot of the time it's by asking. With confidence.
Jen (58:44.278)
We're asking. I'm just going to ask my husband. Fuck that. Did he ask you last time he bought a fucking case of beer? I don't know. Where did that come from? And how much are you not getting paid for staying at home with the kids exactly?
Louise (58:50.69)
for me.
Louise (59:03.073)
Yeah, time is a thing.
Jen (59:03.922)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lou, if people have loved what you've been talking about, where can they find strong moms? Where can they find the Body Resilient Mom Project? I was like shit checking it, make sure I got it right, you got it right, it's good. I keep saying the wrong word, but anyway. Yeah.
Louise (59:21.362)
So you can find me on Instagram Strong Mums Gossford and same for Facebook and that's my Facebook handle too. And Body Resilient Mum Project here we go is at body underscore resilient underscore mum underscore project.
Jen (59:25.347)
Mm-hmm.
Jen (59:38.478)
Cool. And you'll have doors open for Body Resilient Mom Project this side of Christmas. So if people wanna jump on that or find out more, they can go jump on the wait list. And you've got like one spot left for strong moms. So people just need to hurry up, go fill it. Someone go train with Lou for the next, please. Yeah.
Louise (59:49.008)
Mm-hmm. Very nice.
Louise (59:59.422)
I've got a lady coming for a photo.
Jen (01:00:01.726)
Amazing. So exciting. Um, Lou, I want to say a massive thank you. It's an absolute pleasure to work alongside you. I'm so glad that our paths crossed. And I also know that you're such a, um, a shining light for a lot of our other Mumsafe trainers, like people that are maybe not quite as far along their journey as you are. Um, and people, other people that are like you are watching me watching you from a distance that may not be part of the Mumsafe team as yet. Um, but yeah, thank you for.
creating space and time. I know that the kids came home an hour ago for you. They've been pretty quiet. I heard a little bit of whistling and a little bit of something else, but I think they've been amazing. And like we talked about spending time, like I am really grateful for the fact that you've chosen to spend time chatting to me and sharing your journey with other people. Thank you.
Louise (01:00:37.748)
Yeah, that's right.
Louise (01:00:53.339)
In an absolute pleasure.
Jen (01:00:55.358)
Amazing. All right, Lou, I will let you go. Thank you so much. I'll talk to you soon. Bye.
Louise (01:00:59.955)
Welcome, bye!
