Jen (00:01.546)
Anushka, welcome to the Mom Safe Movement podcast. How are you?
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (00:06.759)
I'm good. It's starting to cool down a little bit after my moments of fluster.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (01:07.931)
Okay, a word, relieved. A win, running a session during the Mum Save Massive Workout Week.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (02:25.519)
I am, yes, so kind of, yeah, as close to Brisbane and as anyone that isn't near Brisbane is, yes, so about 30 minutes, 35 minutes drive from Brisbane airport about how to place things in a place called Cleveland, which is in the Redlands coast. The Redland city council rebranded to be called the Redlands coast a few years ago. So Cleveland's actually on the,
Jen (02:43.273)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (02:54.287)
Bayside and we live about two minutes drive from where you get the ferry over to Stradbroke Island. Yeah, and the kids a few weeks ago started doing nippers there. So every Saturday we get to go with the self-life-saving community over to Straddy to do nippers. Yes.
Jen (03:02.869)
Ah!
Jen (03:17.23)
So good. That's cool. I've been meaning to camp over there now that we live a little bit further up the coast. So I'll have to come visit you when we do that.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (03:22.207)
Mmm.
Yes. Well, that's been talking about living. We were not far from each other. Sydney, that's where you first came into my orbit. You didn't know it. I was living in Coogee. So I lived in Coogee. Yeah, from 2007 when I first came to Australia. And yeah.
Jen (03:35.893)
Yes. No, I didn't know it. And you were living in Sydney then?
Jen (03:44.135)
I did know that, yeah.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (03:52.475)
February, March 2007 until October 2016 when we moved up to Queensland. And yes, so I was just down the road.
Jen (04:01.118)
Yeah. Well the-
Nice, nice. It's a shame we didn't actually meet each other in person did we back then? I don't think we did.
Yeah so it's a shame we didn't meet each other when you were in Coogee and I was in Maroobah. Yep.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (04:28.317)
No, we didn't meet, but...
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (04:40.135)
I know, it's funny isn't it? And I had friends that were doing your classes at Centennial.
Jen (04:46.05)
Huh. There you go. It's such a small world. Let's go back now to focus, or let's focus on the way that you got into the fitness industry. So let's start where you started and tell us how you got to where you are today. And I know as we move through this journey, and I'll give the listeners a little bit of an insight, you've been a MomSafe trainer since October, 2021. So we're basically two years down the track and you're an interesting.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (04:48.189)
I'm sorry.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (04:53.867)
Mmm. Mm-hmm.
Jen (05:13.55)
character inside of not an interesting character, an interesting, I don't know, interesting situation. So we don't see a lot of you inside the Facebook group. We don't see a lot of you live on the master classes, but what I do get from you is the messages that go, I've just done this or this is how I'm going. And it's really cool for me to see somebody moving forward in a way that is not.
well, that's different and you're still making progress, but you're not showing up all the time in person and all that kind of thing. So I know that will come out as we go. And I think the reason why I framed that then was to say that, you know, you're on a journey and you may not be where you would like to be as yet. So we can start wherever you wanna start, get into how you got into fitness, move into where you are right now, how you've been going and then kind of what the goals and things like that are.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (05:49.039)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (06:09.495)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, sure. And so, wow. Well, I actually initially studied a degree in interior design in London. And then I worked as an interior designer for 13 years. And it was probably when I came over to, just before I came over to Australia in 2000.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (06:38.343)
So I came over in 2007, but in 2006, I started investigating courses within the fitness industry and how I could maybe become a personal trainer. I was pretty over the industry that I was working in at that time. I felt I had imposter syndrome. I didn't feel that I was getting out of that industry what I had gone into it for.
So if I go back, I went into the architecture and design industry because I wanted to make a difference and an impact to how people felt, how they felt physically, how they felt mentally. And that was really driven by my love of architecture, my love of design, and how your physical space affected your mental and physical well-being. And
Jen (07:33.38)
Mmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (07:36.247)
As I say, through those years, things changed. You know, there were good times, and eventually not for me anymore. So my business, so I'm gonna skip around a little bit on this, my business is called Feel Vibrant Fitness. And then I have realized recently how the Feel Vibrant linked in back to how I initially felt when I started in the design industry. I wanted people.
Jen (07:49.919)
Mmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (08:06.171)
feel vibrant, as I say physically and mentally. So back to 2007, I had started to investigate fitness industry. However, to stay in Australia, I needed sponsorship. I was sponsored by an architectural firm as an interior designer. And that's how I then ended up staying in Australia for the next five years working for a few different firms.
However, always back in the mind, in the back of my mind, this isn't where I want to be. I want to move on. Eventually, met my husband and he, long story short, he got me onto his visa. I came back from, I had six months working in Singapore and before I left Singapore.
Jen (08:46.83)
Hehehe
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (09:02.863)
I called one of the institutes over in Australia and said, right, okay, what do I need to do to get onto one of your certificate three, certificate four in fitness courses? Arrive back December 2011, met with that institute, signed up, carried on for about another 10, 11 months working in the design industry while studying my cert three online and then cert four in
in an intensive face-to-face, which was quite emotional. And I say emotional because there were a number of students there similar to myself who were that little bit older studying and had already gotten to quite a significant place in their current industry. And so coming from not knowing everything but knowing quite a lot to.
Jen (09:35.304)
Oh
Jen (09:45.24)
Mm.
Jen (09:55.063)
Hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (09:58.683)
starting again and then having to go at this really intense pace. Um, yeah, just overwhelming. So November, 2012, that's when actually transitioned into the fitness industry. I was lucky to get some, um, work with, um, step into life, work doing outdoor, bootcamp sessions that were,
Jen (10:07.128)
Mm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (10:28.571)
some in Maroubra in Sydney and Kujee in Sydney. I also connected with a women's bootcamp called She Fitness. The owner of She Fitness is not the same owner anymore, but the owner that founded it connected with him.
and set up as a licensee after running sessions for him at not Centennial Park in the city. And then I started my own sessions under licensee in Centennial Park and at Double Bay. And they were purely for women. But I think at this time, it was really different to training women now and what I have learned now.
So at that point, it was really training women in a women's only space, if you like. It wasn't so much about how women are different to men, if that makes sense, but yeah, more just, oh, it's women only, no men here. So yes, you can pipe in anytime you want, Jen,
Jen (11:32.055)
Mm.
Jen (11:41.643)
Yeah.
Jen (11:46.154)
Yep.
Jen (11:52.786)
No, you're doing really well. I'm like following along like a case. So now we're in 2012, so you became a PT. You've got a license for she fitness and you're running sessions in Centennial Park and Double Bay and how we didn't bump into each other in Centennial Park, I have no idea. But I guess when did it become apparent to you that you're, I mean, obviously you've moved up to Queensland in this kind of time. I think that was a little bit later on, but.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (11:53.663)
pick.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (12:03.929)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (12:07.995)
I'm sorry.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (12:19.652)
Mm.
Jen (12:21.41)
When did it become apparent to you that training women wasn't just about putting women in an environment on their own, but was about understanding the difference in training women?
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (12:29.787)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (12:34.235)
So I think initially was 2013, early 2014. So in 2013, I started working at Fitness First. Oh, and that was in the city. That was actually started off as being a bit of a strange experience. Again, being a newbie in the industry.
Jen (12:47.574)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (13:15.707)
All right, that's cool. And so yeah, so initially started with fitness first, and in market, no King Street. And say that what that was a bit strange, because I was an associate designer where I was then coming in fitness instructor in the studio wasn't a personal trainer then helping out all the jobs that you do.
Jen (13:55.778)
Okay, so you're at King Street being a group fitness instructor.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (14:05.331)
Sorry! I thought that as I said it!
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (14:22.511)
That's right, a fitness instructor on the gym floor. Yeah.
Jen (14:26.21)
Ah, got it. So like, yeah, so you're cleaning stuff away and giving. Yeah, got it.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (14:31.135)
that's it. Giving the members tips, etc. Then, I don't know if you recall, King Street then transitioned into the zone. And I received a lot of training through Fitness First in different functional equipment and how to use that, such as suspension trainers, kettlebells,
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (15:00.695)
And that was really the start of my continued education as a personal trainer.
Jen (15:09.768)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (15:12.847)
I then transitioned from the King Street's Fitness First to Market Street with Sam Frankel. I think that's the name that you know. Yeah. So with Sam Frankel at Fitness First in Market Street. And that's where I actually became a franchise personal trainer with Fitness First. And I undertook a...
Jen (15:21.479)
Mm hmm. And so, yeah.
Jen (15:35.13)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (15:40.027)
pre and postnatal certification with limitless health, who I think you also know. Yes. Took a certification with them, as that is when I realized I needed to know more about women. And in the pre and postnatal space, that wasn't even looking wider at that point. But as in the Market Street Club, there were a lot of ladies coming in saying, I've just had a baby or I'm pregnant.
Jen (15:44.405)
I do.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (16:09.247)
and so forth. I thought I need to know more. The tips I've been given from the other coaches are good, but they're not enough.
So at that stage I signed up and did the certification with Limitless Health.
Jen (16:25.048)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (16:27.375)
And I then started to feel that I had some more knowledge there to help my clients. I had a client that had was about 12 months postnatal. So I felt better equipped to help her. I also had other clients in my group sessions that I was running at Centennial Park in Double Bay that were pregnant.
But equally, I still felt nervous about coaching them.
Jen (17:01.435)
Mm.
What were you nervous about?
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (17:07.322)
whether what I knew was enough.
And at that stage, I had not been pregnant. I had not had children.
And can I tangent here for a moment? And I had, at this stage now, I had already seen you at the Key Person of Influence conference where you were promoting your book.
Jen (17:22.083)
Mm.
Jen (17:38.338)
Was I talking on stage at that event? That was one of the scariest things I've done in my whole life. It was one of the first times I'd ever gotten on a big stage and I just remember it was horrible. It was on the stage at NIDA, yeah, on the stage with this big target in the middle of the floor. I don't know if I came across as nervous, but I was absolutely shitting myself to the point at which that kind of shitting yourself where you just want the whole world to just.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (17:40.535)
You were.
Jen (18:07.018)
or the ground to swallow you. And there's a few moments that stand out and that is one of them that it's like, that was the worst day of my life or one of the worst days of my life that I could have easily just gone, I am never ever going to talk in front or talk on a stage again.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (18:25.111)
I don't think you came across as nervous as you think that you did. I definitely, it definitely wasn't a coming across as grounds swallow me up moment. That's, that's for sure. And I will give you, there was a massive audience there. Big, big audience. And I recall, cause I wanted to mention this moment regardless, but the reason I've tangent to it.
Jen (18:37.303)
Okay, alright.
Jen (18:42.602)
It was huge. Yeah.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (18:54.819)
because the person that I went with, a friend of mine, who was also looking into moving to her own business. So this at this point was nothing to do with pre postnatal. She said, oh, this event's on, shall we go? And I thought brilliant. And it was brilliant to hear all these stories about how to get credibility, how to be out there and be credible. And then when you popped on.
Jen (19:05.727)
Mm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (19:22.291)
on stage, I thought, oh my goodness, there's someone here in the industry that I've just moved into. And then my friend said to me, oh, that's what you should do. You should work with pregnant women. And I went, oh, that doesn't really feel authentic for me because I'm not pregnant. They're a big pregnant. I don't have children. And I don't think she realized how, and I didn't realize at that time.
Jen (19:32.567)
Huh.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (19:50.363)
she didn't realize either how different a space it is to coach women. When they have all different physical needs and physicalities about them.
Jen (19:59.959)
Mmm
Jen (20:10.95)
Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? So I think that the mom space can very easily be seen as a marketing opportunity. It's like a, you know, moms, everyone, moms are a niche market, even though there's a lot of them and it's a mass niche market, but it does feel like a really good opportunity unless you start, not unless, until you start to delve into all the things that you need to know, which.
that makes it an even bigger opportunity if you're gonna do it well. But if it's just a marketing pitch, then maybe not so. But obviously you've taken it beyond that and gone, you know what, I'm gonna let this idea settle and then I'm gonna, whether you chose in that moment to go down that road or whether, I'm sure you're gonna tell us how that then unfolded to get to where you are now.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (20:58.771)
Yes, so I didn't decide in that moment that that's where I was going to go. I just thought, no, that's not me. I want to work with women, but that's not where I can pitch myself as the pre- and post-natal trainer. However, then fast forwarding that little bit again to fitness first, and I decided that I would do the certification with Limitless Health.
Jen (21:15.15)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (21:29.089)
train the women that I was working with that were pregnant or postnatal, training them with more knowledge.
Then, 2014, I fall pregnant with my daughter, Anya, who is now eight.
Jen (21:44.226)
Hehe.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (21:52.575)
And this is when I thought brilliant. I'm glad that I have done this certification so that I am better equipped to train myself during my pregnancy. I also trained with a lovely Sam Frankel when she could train me, which was brilliant. And then also after pregnancy that I had a better idea of how to train myself.
However, it was that you don't know what you don't know. Is that what you say, Jen? You don't, you don't, yes. I might be missing bits out here and there, so prompt me along the way if I've not covered something that I was about to cover. So yes, I fall pregnant, have an ear in August 2016, and then...
Jen (22:26.678)
Hmm. Yeah, absolutely.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (22:50.199)
I want to get straight back into it. My sister had a baby seven weeks before me and she said, no, you need to lie in bed. No, you just, you can't be doing all these things. I wanted to get the kettlebells out. I wanted to be doing kettlebell swings. And I'm lying on the floor thinking, my stomach just feels like jelly. Where? Where is all the strength? I'm just sticking my hand straight through this.
Jen (23:03.042)
Hahaha!
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (23:19.607)
And I used to have quite a strong, strong stomach, or abdomen, should I say. And now it just felt like this lump of jelly. So I was searching online. Again, I didn't feel equipped. The trainer searching online, trying to find how to best rebuild my core. I'd had a course about how to coach ladies that are pregnant, but not so much postnatally.
Jen (23:20.962)
Mmm.
Jen (23:41.079)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (23:51.139)
So again, did some research, started training my core to rebuild from the inside out, as we say with Mumsafe. But again, still not fully equipped, still not with the knowledge that I have now. I started to, I won't say run, I started to jog all the places that you would have been going. I would jog down to Maroubra.
Jen (24:01.291)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (24:20.219)
and start trying to do the coogee stairs that you would know. And then about three, four months postnatally, I'm running along, along the down the coastline from coogee towards the coogee stairs and I'm thinking, ah, feels like I've got a tampon falling out here. I don't know, this doesn't feel right. Thankfully, I had heard of women's health physios at that point.
Jen (24:39.746)
and then
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (24:48.507)
So I managed to get myself with a local woman, an appointment with a local women's health physio at Bondi Junction. And they assessed me and said, yes, you've got pelvic cord and organ prolapse. It was my uterus that was dropping down. But they assessed my lifts and said that I've had really good lift there. But I was also, the ligaments.
Jen (25:02.648)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (25:18.867)
that there was ligament laxity there. And I suppose also, I was 40 when I had Anya, all that came into play with it as well. And at that time, I was being called at, they weren't even calling, the hospital weren't even saying advanced maternal age for having babies over, I was at 35, they were still saying geriatric mum.
Jen (25:40.842)
I think they still say that in a lot of places, which is awful, but anyway. Yep.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (25:43.183)
Oh, horrible, isn't it? And, and so the physio saying, Yes, so you've got your pelvic floor, your lifts are really good. But we do need to release you internally because I was getting the lift, I couldn't relax all the way. And then coming into mum safe now and having the conversations and the master classes.
Jen (26:01.974)
Hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (26:10.819)
that we do around pelvic floor health, it all ties it together. So again, I feel I have an experience to share with others. And I know my experience is going to be different to others. But again, it's weaving back to that, taking it slowly, not going straight into running when you maybe haven't had your pelvic floor checked first.
Jen (26:38.475)
Mm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (26:40.699)
pause there just in case you have any questions for me, Jen. Okay, because I know.
Jen (26:44.822)
dive in when I've got questions, don't you worry. But I guess, yeah, I guess what I did want to say is to anyone listening and what kind of has come across in what you were saying Anushka throughout the first part of the conversation is until you became a mum, you kind of didn't feel like you were qualified enough to work with mums. And I think it's really important that everyone goes on their own journey. And I want to make it clear to people listening that
there are lots of trainers that do choose to work with moms before they are moms and you don't need to be a mom as a prerequisite to be a trainer that specializes in working with moms. So, you know, sometimes and Anushka, I think everything that you've been through has set you up for where you are today and you've done it at the right time and the right pace. Sometimes the people that have never had babies are the ones that have more empathy or don't have that.
of this happened to me, so this is what must happen to you. Some trainers move back into exercise quite quickly, whether that's the right thing or not the right thing, and then assume every other mom, cordial should be able to do the same thing. So I think highlighting that your journey has got you to where you are today, and I love the fact that you were listening to where you were in your own PT journey every step of the way, and it wasn't until you had your own baby that you felt like you wanted to step into that space.
and acknowledging that everyone else's journey is different. So now you've got Anya, you also have a prolapse, yay, and your early 40s, you're working as a personal trainer. What happens from here? And give us the, help us to go from, yeah, where you were then and then a little bit closer to where you are now.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (28:19.179)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (28:25.656)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (28:37.115)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, so I had Anya I needed I had to leave fitness first obviously or obviously to us but to others they won't necessarily know it didn't work to maintain a franchise at fitness first when I could only work a few hours a week so I actually left fitness first I also mmm I know it's I'm for unfortunate because I heard that they did have a part-time
Jen (28:55.083)
Hmm.
missed opportunity on their part but anyway carry on.
Jen (29:06.731)
Mm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (29:06.995)
sort of more for mothers franchise that they had scratched, but anyhow, so I then covered sessions for other trainers and had private pts because I've also Passed on my boot camp because again, it didn't work for me at that time and then fast-forwarding a little bit quicker then came up to Queensland in October 2016 when I was then 12 months
Jen (29:23.337)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (29:36.699)
12 weeks pregnant with my son. So I actually didn't restart again with business when I was in Queensland. So 2016, October, had that break with the kids, pregnancy with my son, and then we move a little further forward to 2019. And 2019, yep, that's it.
I had started doing a few sessions with some of the mums that I know locally, just one-on-one PT's when I had time. And again, this wasn't for money at that stage. That was really to get my confidence back, get myself back into doing what I loved and helping some friends. Then I started working with a local boxing club, doing some PT sessions, group sessions.
and then eventually was watching a master class on AusActive. And there was Jenny God, who was, yeah, just popped up again after previously, yes. I didn't mention seeing your car was behind you once. Yes, because this is all relevant, those layers that you talk about. So.
Jen (30:42.916)
Mm-hmm.
Jen (30:46.092)
It just popped up again.
Jen (30:55.758)
Ah!
Jen (31:00.18)
Yep.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (31:04.831)
again, you popped up in my orbit, as I say, you didn't know about on you several times. And then the credibility factor, you're presenting a talk that's highlighted the hypertonic pelvic floor. And again, I've never I've never heard of the hypertonic pelvic floor. What's this, I've got to watch it. And then there you are, watch it. You're also on the board. I was active. I was like, wow.
Jen (31:21.559)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (31:33.935)
this lady has just gone from seeing her on the stage back in Sydney, key person of influence, all these things that she's done. And you talked about at the end of the presentation that you did, you talked about mum safe, becoming a mum safe trainer, but you also talked about safe return to exercise course. I thought, right, this is what I need to do.
Jen (31:36.799)
Hehehe
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (32:03.579)
Because I've also before then had an umbilical hernia. Again, we won't go too much into depth in that. Yes, yes, exactly. And like we say, like you said earlier, everyone's different. And there are trainers that have never had kids like Sam that trained me. So super brilliant at training people that are pre or post-natal. So all the stories are different. But as you said, this is my story.
Jen (32:09.591)
You've now, from not being a mum, you've had all the things now, so you've got nothing to worry about.
Jen (32:26.69)
Mm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (32:33.251)
Um, so yeah, I've had a hernia now. I've got to do, I've got to do this course. I've recently trained again, another pregnant lady. I really need to know more. And I'd also, uh, prior to this and between Limitless Health and watching your masterclass on the hypotonic pelvic floor, I had done another through Fitness Australia pre and postnatal. So again, I was like, I still need to know more with this.
This sounds like it could be it all the questions that you are asking in the sort of the prequels for signing up. But yes, that's me. No, that's not me. So then I fell into that category of yes, this is the course for you. And and I did the safe returns exercise course. And thought this, this is brilliant starts putting all the dots together and then knowing
Jen (33:16.183)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (33:31.855)
with the MumSafe membership as well with the continued education and then having that community to talk at the time that I didn't know about and not as aware as I am now. And yes, so I'm going to take a moment but yeah coming into MumSafe October 2021 was a game changer.
Jen (33:58.572)
Mm-hmm.
Jen (34:02.282)
It's been a journey, right? Just to get you to October 2021. Yeah, don't apologize because what I really love is sometimes it's like, sometimes people's stories seem to happen really fast. And the beauty of talking to lots of different people is there is no one way. And that's why I wanted to put this mini series together is on the mom safe movement podcast that is, you know, six stories of specific of mom safe trainers that have got
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (34:05.838)
Yes, sorry!
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (34:14.723)
Mm.
Jen (34:29.474)
different journeys and some of them might have gone from zero to 100 in a year or two years or whatever it may be. And your journey's taken a lot longer and I think it's really important because sometimes people don't back themselves because they don't think they can do it quickly. And I think that that's such a shame because what I know is had you not backed yourself.
you know, way, but I mean, you've got and you've bought franchises and licenses, and you've done all these things. So you've been backing yourself every single step of the way. And then October 20 or 21 rolls around and you choose to become a mom safe trainer, knowing that you're not going to move quickly. And you kind of said that to me right from the get go that I'm, I need to take my own pace. Um, I'm going to do this slowly and.
but you've continued to do that. And like I said, right at the beginning, I get these messages from you. Like, I'm like, you're one of my, I'm like, is she okay? Cause I see people don't think that I see, but I'm constantly going, who's active, who's not active, who's doing something, who's not doing something, who's always gonna pop up and go help or not say anything until I ask them how they're going. And you pop up every now and again, and you're like, I'm plotting along and I'm doing my thing. And I'm excited about.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (35:23.629)
I'm going to go.
Jen (35:45.39)
moving forward even though I'm doing it slowly. So do you want to tell us a little bit about the attitude that you took right at the beginning and what your journey has been like from October 2021 opting in to kind of kind of where we are now.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (35:59.195)
Mm-hmm.
Hmm. So I think one of the key things which you put forward as one of the masterclasses within the MumSafe membership is understanding your values. And I honed mine down to being freedom and growth. And that was within the family, the personal and the professional space. Now I
have, again, as I mentioned to you, the slowly, I have about eight hours a week, where I don't, I'm not working in the other industry that I need to. And I don't have the children about I can focus on my business. And that is either working on the business and working in the business with clients. So it's not a lot of time. The other job I have is casual job three days a week, I need to do that. So I know I have the income coming in.
And one of the great things that you support within the membership is don't drop everything to get this business up that you want if you cannot do it now. You need to maintain your security to move forward. So that's what I feel I can give myself the permission.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (37:30.035)
to keep going even though it's in bite-sized chunks. And also to know that I'm not an imposter. Sorry, this is where I get a bit cheery. To know that I'm not an imposter. I have value in me to add within the health and fitness industry, within the women's health and fitness space, and to give to my clients.
Jen (37:35.092)
Mm.
Jen (37:39.958)
No.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (37:58.279)
I'm just going to process.
Jen (38:00.982)
Just tell me more about the, yeah, tell me more about feeling like an imposter or what would make you feel like an imposter if you weren't given permission to continue to move forward slowly.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (38:16.151)
Yeah, I think I would feel like an imposter because the majority of working hours I spend are in an industry that is not related and purely for the money. And the money's not big money, it's just to keep us going in the financial circumstances that we're in.
Jen (38:25.44)
Mm.
Jen (38:34.114)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (38:36.775)
I'm also lucky though with that job that my freedom and growth values can actually come into that because there are a few hours in the week of those days that I'm working in the shop that I can actually work on my business. So I look at it positively like that and there may be others that are in the same situation as me. And I've read...
and heard those stories in the Mum Safe membership that I'm not alone. So that gives me the permission. There are others that are working slowly. There are those that are pacing it ahead. But again, I'm sure that some of those wonderful women, we're seeing the tip of the iceberg. We're not seeing the iceberg that's all that effort that has led up to where they are before they've come into the Mum Safe space. So yeah.
Jen (39:13.571)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (39:33.615)
whole Mumslave community and your words, your permission, give me permission.
Jen (39:40.998)
It's interesting what you say about not seeing everyone's whole iceberg and it's, there's definitely people that I can think of and I hope that we, one, give them permission to share or ask them to share how long it's actually taken them because again, some people come in right from the get-go. It's like I've got, now is the time that I've got all the time and I can implement all the things really, really quickly. And then other people, I've seen people.
you know, who like yourself have a job and they've got to get to this break even part in their fitness business. And then the part when they can go, okay, I can let, let go of the job now to free up more time to grow, grow my income in a, in a fitness industry space. And I don't want to put you on the spot today, but I want to go. And when is that for you? Um, cause it's got to be in the, in the horizon, right? Um, but I think the message that you're putting out there is really, really important. And it's
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (40:28.147)
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Jen (40:37.87)
kind of what I said right at the beginning is, you could be a new mom with a newborn who may have like eight hours a week, is two hours a day, that's over four days. So what I'm hearing from you is two hours a day over four days, it is possible to take forward steps. You don't have to overwhelm and you don't have to, you know, do all the things all at once. But what are some of the things that you have put into place? So what have you been doing with those eight hours?
What's the magic you've been creating in those eight hours a week?
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (41:10.007)
The magic. Okay, I have a website up that I'm very proud of. That I've done it all myself. If you were to look at that, that's all me with the help of Wix. Yes, that's all me. And I it took me over a year probably from when I signed up to actually get it published. Because I didn't I didn't have time.
Jen (41:13.422)
Amazing. Have you done the whole thing?
Jen (41:21.951)
Yeah, that's okay.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (41:37.195)
again to work on it. I was hospitalized for a while and did not have that a lot of time to spend with it. So yes, website tick, safe return to exercise tick, safe return to running tick. I have also superseded what I thought I would get done on social media, Facebook,
Jen (42:01.504)
Okay?
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (42:05.051)
coming back to me saying, wow, you're doing really well, et cetera. And it looks like that I'm painting the right picture, giving out the right information. Facebook is telling me the post you're putting out is valuable. They're there. They're giving out suggested posts. Again, I'm not really completely up to speed with as much as I should be with Facebook.
Jen (42:17.218)
Hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (42:35.159)
business page properly going in May and again, MumSafe, all the MumSafe campaigns are brilliant. I can get my own stuff out there, but knowing there's the collaborative element of MumSafe on the social media as well is a godsend. What else? Websites, courses, social media. When I first spoke to you about joining MumSafe,
Jen (42:38.423)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (43:04.647)
I was in the midst of putting together an expression of interest to my local council to run groups at our local park. I got that application in around the time I spoke to you on October 21. It was around a year later that they actually came back to me and said, yes, here you go. However, again, due to life circumstances, everyone out there, you've got other stuff happening again. Just keep going.
Jen (43:14.71)
Mm-hmm.
Jen (43:34.552)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (43:34.831)
due to life's there because those is I didn't get those sessions going until this year. I still need to build on those but they're happening. I have improved my garage to be a PT studio. Really that my wonderful husband, we've got air con in there got lots of equipment which I didn't have previously. So that I can I can train people there. I'm not now.
paying rent to a gym that I was doing to run sessions. And that all aligns again with my values and being there for my kids and not running around. What else? Oh, I.
Jen (44:07.771)
Mm-hmm.
Jen (44:19.074)
What do you, how many sessions are you running at the moment Anushka?
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (44:24.175)
Look, I'm running two small group sessions and I'm running between two and three PT sessions a week. Again, it's just small and this is, as I said to you, I only have two days to offer in school hours and I need to work on the business as well as well as in it, as well as all the household tasks. And you asked me earlier,
Jen (44:39.032)
Mm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (44:51.939)
when am I going to be able to step up? Hoping in 12 months from now, that's when I'll be able to start transitioning more hours into my business. So I have 12 months that I know I can still keep building and then there's going to come that point that I can ramp it up. And I'll be very confident with that because of all the learnings and the backings.
that I've had essentially through monsafe membership.
Jen (45:23.513)
Mm-hmm. Cool. So if you're running two groups, are they 45-minute groups or are they 60-minute groups?
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (45:29.199)
There's 60 minute quotes.
Jen (45:31.254)
So you like, I mean, I guess, you know, we've got eight hours and then you've taken away two hours there and then two to three PT, are they 45 minutes or are they out? Like, what are they?
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (45:40.676)
The PTs are either 45 or 60. So I've got...
Jen (45:45.098)
So you've got literally got about three, three hours a week to spend working on the business. Yeah, you keep going and I absolutely love it. Yeah. What has been some of the biggest learnings? Like we've, I mean, congratulations for getting your website and you know, Sessions launched and out into the community. And I would say keep building that expression of interest for other.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (45:54.299)
for it.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (45:58.595)
Thank you.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (46:14.209)
Mm-hmm.
Jen (46:14.782)
other days and things like that, because you'll start to, you know, the more you'll build more confidence when you know, you've got more people coming into the classes. So more people want to train with you. But what are some of the biggest things that you've done either to attract clients or to, I guess, continue your learning inside of? Yeah.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (46:40.7)
to attract clients have been flyers. I've put flyers out locally. I leave them out when I do my sessions so people can see me and pick them up there next to my sign. So again, that's another thing I've had signage done, also branded t-shirts, branded jumpers. So those are all things that I've done for the business as well. Bye.
Jen (46:45.358)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (47:07.663)
have these stickers, the Mumsafe stickers, both the generic ones and the ones for my business that I've been putting up locally. Mm-hmm.
Jen (47:15.446)
I'll just touch on that for a second. So we ran a campaign and we organized the campaign called your local mom safe trainer. And we created these stickers and one sticker says, is your mom, is your trainer mom safe? And our trainers can order them and then put them around their local area. And that one has a QR code that goes straight to the mom safe website. And then the next one says your local mom safe trainer is with the trainers details on there. And that QR code goes directly to their.
their profile page. In fact, Emma of Motivate Mums, she had someone because she's tracking all the leads and she had, she said, yeah. So I saw your sticker on the back of a toilet door in a local public toilet. So that campaign has worked pretty well. So you're sticking up your stickers in your local area. Awesome.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (48:03.503)
Mm hmm. And in the pipeline is to be doing community talks as well. I've spoken to a couple of local businesses where there may be an alignment. So trying to tee up giving a talk in the in their spaces with as I say, with regards to either peri manopause, also pelvic health, a number of subjects, I'm making my list there of talks to give to you.
Jen (48:31.031)
Mm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (48:33.455)
drawing new clients and get my voice out there in the community. I also attended a health and fitness market actually as well. That's what I did in July I think that was. And I had a store there and some of my equipment and my flyers and then I used that as well on my social media afterwards.
Jen (48:54.282)
Yep. Fantastic. I would say like I mean, I don't I'm not going to put you on the spot, but I would challenge you to say, is it going to take 12 months to get to where you want to get to and that would come from doing a really good financial spreadsheet and your projections and all that kind of thing, which you may well have done. Have you done your financial spreadsheets?
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (49:01.772)
I'm gonna go.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (49:18.579)
Uh, partly. I still need to do that!
Jen (49:22.126)
Okay, that's okay. But what I would say and same to everyone else, like anyone else that's listening that wants to transition that has a part-time job, we can put timeframes on that so beautifully by using your financial spreadsheet. So, you know, have a look at, and I know that you've got very, very limited time to be working on the business, but have a think about it. Probably take you a couple of hours to go through your financial spreadsheet and then do some game playing. So,
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (49:35.038)
Mm.
Jen (49:50.37)
put the puzzle pieces in and go, well, if I did two extra PT sessions, how much would it be? And this is what I'm earning in my part-time job. And if I ran an extra group training session, and if I'm going to run an extra group training session, let's say it's got six people in it. Well, how many people do I need on my wait list? That means how many people do I need to come in, um, inquire with me? And I reckon, I reckon you could turn that around in less than 12 months. In fact, I'm
pretty positive because you've got such great foundations now. And you're not new on the scene. Like people know you, they know your brand. You've been doing the layers just like you said, you know, you saw my layer. Imagine, think about it. So you saw me first in 2013. It took you a couple more times for me to pop up in your world before you worked with me, but it was like, it was a good.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (50:33.819)
2013.
Jen (50:44.578)
Far out, man, like how many years later? Like...
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (50:48.717)
I know. 2013 to 2021.
Jen (50:52.43)
So nine years later, and you've been putting your awareness in your community for a couple of years now, or, and don't underestimate the second that you choose to put your foot on, I wanna say pedal to the metal, is that what it is? So you put your foot on the accelerator to say, hey, this is what I'm doing, and this is all of the, this is the availability I have. And you wouldn't go big with the availability, you'd be like,
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (50:54.212)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (51:12.023)
Yeah, I think so.
Jen (51:22.406)
I have one more session on one more day, let's fill it up, or you completely fill up what you've got now and then put them on. But I have absolutely no doubt that when you choose to put your mind into filling up those sessions to replace the income that you have from one day and then replace the income that you have from another day, that it will happen very quickly and very nicely because of the systematic consistency that you've had over the last two years.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (51:53.631)
I agree. I think having built the layers, having the system in place, my website, and with the websites also comes similar to Kajabi, the automation for mail drops, the blog, email, automated email communications, invoicing. So I've really been setting up that whole business structure as well.
Jen (52:19.702)
Mm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (52:20.691)
And I finally feel that I'm getting to the point where, because I've been learning it all and how to use it, that it's starting to flow more. The same with the social media. Everything is starting to flow that I'm not sort of climbing up. This wall, I feel like I'm getting closer to the top of the wall I can see over the other side now. Yeah, if that makes sense.
Jen (52:43.489)
Yep.
Jen (52:46.654)
It makes so much sense and you've got different types of people in the world. Like I'm very much a, I'm going to scramble to get shit done. I'm not very good at slowly implementing anything much to my detriment sometimes. Um, but again, and I'll come back to it is so many women that I talk to that want to make a difference in this space of working with moms say, I don't have enough time to put into it now, so I'm not going to put any time into it, or I'm going to.
fumble around until I have all the time but the issue with that is you're fumbling and you're not actually so let's say you had eight hours a week or we've just taken it down to like three to four hours a week of actual work to do on your business how do you think it would feel if you didn't have things in front of you to help you to know what to do next?
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (53:41.139)
Oh, yeah. I would just be, what's the word, treading water. I would not be as efficient. I would not be getting as much stuff done. When I originally spoke to you, I was just trying to work on my business plan. I didn't even go back to that because everything that I had, the resources in front of me were.
actionable items that I could get on with and know that I was building and moving forward. So that's the reason that I've been able to keep moving even if it has been at a slow pace because I know everything I'm doing is valid.
Jen (54:12.439)
Mm-hmm.
Jen (54:19.659)
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely. How do you find not showing up for live, showing up live for things? Because some people also will go, I can't come up come live. I'm not going to do it.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (54:35.343)
Do you mean within the group, on the master classes or?
Jen (54:38.706)
Yeah, so we do a masterclass every month and you've obviously got your back catalog of things to get done. So the different approaches, some people go, I'm not going to show up live for anything. I'm going to start at the start and work my way through. And other people will go, well, I can't come live to anything. Therefore, I'm not going to, not going to do it.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (54:42.724)
Mmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (54:58.235)
So the lives, I've been to a few, but as you saw, I haven't been to any for a long time. And that's also because they happen when I'm in that other job. And I literally cannot be there for them. So that's when I'll then watch them after. I'm not nervous about joining in the lives. And I would hope to try and
Jen (55:11.697)
Mm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (55:28.155)
join more of those in the future. And I'm really, I really enjoyed the fact that I could jump into this podcast. When when you threw out throughout the invites last week, and then on Friday afternoon, I'm looking for a slot, but oh, the only slot left is Monday. I want to do this. I have no time to think about it. Okay, well, this is what it is. And it works in perfectly my schedule anyway. So why would I not?
Jen (55:38.922)
Yeah.
Jen (55:53.614)
Amazing. Cool. So do you, you don't find any, do you find it's, you're at a disadvantage by not coming, like doing the master classes live or?
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (56:06.779)
I don't feel that I'm at a disadvantage. I think because you cater to, as you say, everyone's different. You cater to a wide variety of women, some that thrive better being in those lives and others that may feel that doesn't work for them. I would love to be in the lives, but I don't feel that I have to be there. And when I do watch them back,
I feel that I'm there, if that makes sense. And I feel that I've connected with a lot of people in the group. People from what, just from my side, which is why a few weeks back I put a post in the group, saying how much I appreciated everyone and felt that connection with them, even that most of them wouldn't know who I was. But for them to know that what I see of them.
Jen (56:59.543)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (57:04.939)
in the group or on the lives is valuable to me.
Jen (57:08.706)
Hmm, I love it. You'll have to come to Byron next year for our retreat and meet everyone. That would be amazing. That would be very cool. Anushka, is there anything else that you'd like to pop in there before we start to wrap it up? I'm very conscious of your precious time.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (57:14.605)
Oh, I'd love to.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (57:23.803)
Oh, gosh. Yeah, as I said to you, I've got a board here. And I think I haven't, I think I've touched on most things, maybe not in the same, with the same words that I had there. But I just, yeah, I really need to get across to anyone that's watching. I am gonna look at my board here because I think these words are important. So I hope you don't mind. I am reading here. So I think.
Jen (57:34.478)
That's okay.
Jen (57:48.434)
Not at all.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (57:53.347)
So since joining, again, I'm making slightly repeating some of what I've said, but I want to say the key elements for me from since joining MomSafe are understanding my values, which I said earlier, of freedom and growth in personal family, family first, personal and professional spaces. And being an independent in my business, but being part of a group of like-minded professionals that align where it matters and support each other unconditionally.
This means that I get to share, as we spoke about, experiences and feedback to others when they need it, and to ask for experience and feedback when I need it. And from a lot of the shared experiences of others, I also know, as I said, I'm not alone in the highs and lows of running a business, whatever pace that may be at that I take it at. I also value the highly relevant and valuable
continue to dedicate education in Mumsafe from an amazing variety of knowledgeable presenters. I value the access to well-delivered business masterclasses, even though I haven't done all my financial forecasting yet. I know it's there, the resources and the guidance is from a fellow female and mother who I can relate to from the start, can relate to you. Jen doesn't tell you what to do, but she gives you the tools and the framework to work with, for you to work with them.
Jen (59:01.943)
That's okay.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (59:18.683)
to make your own if you choose. She's a mentor and a guide who wholeheartedly values the feedback and opinions of others. Yeah, as I said, from all of this, I now truly believe in myself, even with the limited hours that I currently have to work within the industry. Again, I want to highlight, I believe I'm not an imposter, and I've got a place here in the health and fitness industry working with women, and I'm a valuable part of it.
and I have that value to offer my clients now and the future. I think that's it. I just really wanted to reiterate those bits in that one, just one snippet, long snippet.
Jen (59:53.034)
Hmm.
Yeah.
Jen (59:59.33)
Thank you. I absolutely love the amount of preparation that you've, you've done, you've taken the time to do. And what that shares with me or shares with all of us is the amount of care and energy and effort that you put into the work that you do in any part of this industry. And I'm sure in the in the job that you do outside of the industry as well.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (01:00:03.854)
Hahaha!
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (01:00:21.211)
What?
Jen (01:00:23.182)
preparation for anyone that's listening and can't see a video. We just got a board of the preparation and I did say to Anushka at the beginning, I want to know your story. Like, you know, I get these amazing messages from you all the time. And it's really reassuring to me to know that value isn't just for people that or isn't only for people that are showing up to everything all the time. And that's the beauty of a membership is that
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (01:00:27.28)
What?
Jen (01:00:50.422)
You don't have to show up live for anything to get the value. And I knew when I came on that I didn't know everything about you because I've not spent a lot of time with you. And I really appreciate the time and energy that you've spent reflecting on your journey and also reflecting on the value that you've gained from being part of MumSafe and trying to put across or actually putting across to people that it doesn't matter how fast you go and it doesn't matter where you start.
it's always worth starting and you get to, you know, everyone has their place and I've talked about it a lot lately. We need everyone's voice and you don't have to be the loudest voice in the room and you don't have to be the fastest person in the group, but the women that need to hear you will never hear anybody if you don't choose to move forward no matter how slow that you go. So.
And I believe that the second that you put the accelerator down on Ushkoh, like it's going to be, we'll have this conversation in a year's time. And you'll just be like, Oh, I decided to do it in three months into last year. And I'll be like, we'll be like out the window and you'll be one of those. I was going slow and I was cruising and all of a sudden, like she takes off, like she's, she's gone and she's absolutely flying. And that's what happens when you've got really fucking awesome foundations. And the, and you've done all that.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (01:01:48.578)
I'm sorry.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (01:02:07.501)
Definitely.
Jen (01:02:08.618)
We might have put the information in front of you, but you've done it because there's plenty of people that have the information in front of them and do nothing, especially if they can't show up live to something. Yeah, so massive credibility to you because really you're doing it the harder way. Yeah, you have to have the self, well, you are, you have to have the self-discipline to go, this is what I'm doing. And I know that I can't show up for everything. And I know that I can't, but the reason I chose to put myself in this place is because I can do it at my own pace.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (01:02:19.896)
Yep.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (01:02:24.116)
Oh, am I?
Jen (01:02:38.474)
And a lot of people just don't do it at their own pace because they allow other things to kind of distract them. So, well done to you. I love it. Absolutely love it. Thank you so much for spending time with us today. If anyone wants to find you and go check out the socials you've been working on and if there's a mum listening and they're in your area and they wanna train with you, where would they go?
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (01:02:47.775)
No, thank you very much. Thank you.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (01:03:03.663)
So you can check out my website, which is www.feelvibrantfitness.au. So it's just.au. And then you can find me on Facebook. My Facebook page is Feel Vibrant Fitness. And also, hashtag Feel Vibrant Fitness on Instagram. So that's that.
Jen (01:03:09.342)
It is.
Jen (01:03:21.356)
Mm-hmm.
Jen (01:03:27.402)
or at feel vibrant fitness.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (01:03:31.287)
Is it at field five seat? I'm terrible, aren't I, with the station? What?
Jen (01:03:32.854)
That's okay. That's all right. I'll make sure I put the direct link in the show notes so people can find you and you've got a profile on the Mumsafe website as well. If people want to inquire, of course, of course. Yep. To wrap us up Anushka, what would you say to someone who's kind of just going I don't I can't for whatever reason they've decided they are questioning whether they have the capacity or the ability to move forward in the working with women and
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (01:03:42.352)
Yes, of course. Yes, that's the key place, Mumsafe website.
Jen (01:04:02.685)
space.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (01:04:05.135)
I would say just do it. You can do it. Doesn't matter how much time that you have. If you don't start now, then you're just going to be thinking about it. And I think you'll regret it if you don't.
Jen (01:04:17.41)
Hmm. And it is that isn't it? Like if you look back to where you were two years ago, if you hadn't started, you'd still be where you were two years ago.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (01:04:23.19)
Mm-hmm.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (01:04:27.811)
I'd still be in that business plan. I would be asleep at my desk. It was so dry.
Jen (01:04:29.654)
yeah that would be like the world's greatest ever business plan
Jen (01:04:41.87)
Well, I'm glad you're not in still in business plan mode. And I feel like, yeah, watch this space. I don't think you've got 12 months in you. Ha ha ha.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (01:04:42.463)
I'm sorry.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (01:04:50.574)
No, I don't think it will be that long.
Jen (01:04:53.558)
think you like to underestimate yourself or give yourself a buffer. So I'm not going to go into coaching mode now because you've given us your time and your generosity to coming in here. But you might yeah, little push in the right direction. Thank you so much for taking the time you're you know, we've taken an hour of your very limited time already. So I very much appreciate you putting your hand up, jumping into this jumping into Mumsafe Massive Workout Week.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (01:04:57.047)
Yeah. No.
Jen (01:05:22.422)
and moving at your own pace and getting shit done. So it's been an absolute pleasure talking to you today. Thank you so much.
Anuschka Wyatt-Weeks (01:05:30.795)
Thank you, Jen. Thank you for the opportunity. I've loved chatting with you. It's been a long time coming. Having a conversation. Thank you. Bye.
Jen (01:05:35.966)
it has it has and watch this space we'll be back we will be back talk to you soon take care bye
