Jen Dugard (00:00.878)
Tracy, welcome to the podcast.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (00:03.054)
It's so good to connect again. Like this time we're not meeting in person. It's like online.
Jen Dugard (00:07.662)
I but how cool is it that we actually met in person? Because a lot of people you meet them online and then you're like, my goodness, now we're meeting in person and we don't the other way around, which is cool.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (00:16.012)
Yeah, I think it's been awesome that we have been able to meet on a platform talking about fitness, something we're both really passionate about, about different stages of women's lives, but be on a panel around women's fitness at fitness conferences, the two of us. Yeah, so good. Yep.
Jen Dugard (00:31.342)
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And it was two back to back, right? Cause we did Mel's event, one after each other. And then we sat on the panel as well. Very, very cool. Absolutely. And I, cause I heard you on Misha's podcast and I was like, I've not, our paths hadn't really crossed and then they did collide. Yeah. Yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (00:39.01)
Yeah. Yeah. It's meant to be.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (00:51.382)
Yeah, in one year, twice, meeting in person and we live in different countries. So that was cool.
Jen Dugard (00:56.014)
Absolutely, yeah. Hey Tracy, let's kick off the way that we always do. So if you can share with us a word around how you're showing up today and then a win, something that you're winning at and also something that you're working on.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (01:08.982)
Yeah, so I think that I thought I would come into this podcast and talk mostly about business, but I'm not going to. So, is good. We'll do it. We'll touch a little bit on that. So my word that I'm showing up is grace. I've gone through quite a tumultuous time. It's, you know, I've gone through menopause. I've created a business based on menopause. But one of the things that I've really learned going through this process of menopause is that you have to give yourself some grace.
And so the last six months I've allowed myself to step back a little bit and just really own that. And what that means is I do what I can do on any one day that may move my business or my personal self forward in some way. And then if it doesn't get done, it doesn't get done. I don't go to sleep worrying about it at night and tomorrow is another day. And I'm really kind of owning that now. So that's my word is grace. What's the next question?
Jen Dugard (02:02.572)
Hmm.
Jen Dugard (02:07.47)
But before we go there, when I was listening to you say that, I feel like if we could offer this word grace to every single woman, and I'm gonna even move it into mother earlier on in our life, because when I'm listening to you, it's like these are the exact same conversations I have with women who've had babies who wanna build their business. And it's like, you can't build it in the same way you did pre-kids. And it's okay to take a little step and a little step.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (02:08.962)
Yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (02:32.162)
Yeah.
Jen Dugard (02:36.654)
I know that that's all you can get done on that any one day. And what I'm hearing though is that never fucking ends.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (02:42.062)
Yeah, never fucking end. Absolutely. Yep, you're so right.
Jen Dugard (02:45.314)
you
Yeah, anyway, let's all sit with that. Never fucking ends. Okay, something you're winning at.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (02:51.214)
I'm winning at being compassionate actually and it kind of aligns with the grace thing. I like like many parents I have a child that
Jen Dugard (02:57.134)
you
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (03:04.75)
is neurodivergent and he challenges me most days in some way to think about things differently and what it's done is I've been able to go out into the world and have a whole lot more compassion for people and understand that we don't know what their situation is, right? So people can make judgments just by meeting my son, they'll form a kind of judgment but not necessarily know the background of why he's saying the things he does or why he acts the way he does and I realized that I probably
we did that to other people and now I don't want to do that anymore and I just don't and what's really freeing about having that level of compassion towards other parents and other kids and their situations is you just don't carry this level of judgment around with you anymore and I think it's really freaking awesome so winning at that.
Jen Dugard (03:54.338)
I love that, I really love that and I can relate to your journey. I also had this conversation, it was actually over social media with a friend who's just had a baby and he was saying, you know, I'm finding the parenthood journey really easy, he's six weeks in, and it's not the shit show that everyone told me it would be. And then so then this dialogue backwards and forwards from us was well, from me was, that's amazing, I'm so happy that that's your experience.
the longer that you're a parent and the more experiences you go through, more you realize that you'd never know anyone's journey. And also your journey is so full of ups and downs and the good times won't last and the bad times won't last. say bad, hard times won't last. But I think what I took away from what you shared, Tracy, just we get to lose the judgment or the sooner we lose the judgment, the better because we have absolutely no clue as to what someone else's journey is.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (04:29.645)
Yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (04:47.788)
Hmm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (04:52.3)
Yeah, yeah, it feels really good. It's very freeing. The question was the next one. What am I working on? Yeah, so I have been working on my business for a number of years now. And I think it's probably been officially a business for about two and a half years. So what I do is I create resources, digital resources for women and menopause. And I also go into companies and deliver workshops on how to support women and menopause in the workplace.
Jen Dugard (04:55.331)
Mm.
What are you working on?
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (05:19.592)
And so I have just been chipping away, chipping away, chipping away. And I think it's like that small steps, small steps until people realize, there is a voice out there in the marketplace and they reach out or people subscribe to my app. And that's what I'm working on. And I intend to work on that until I'm in my 60s. At some point, I will decide what I'm going to do from there. But I...
I feel like I plan to go back and study, but this is my last gift to the fitness industry is menopause fitness and wellness support for women struggling with menopause symptoms. So yeah, that's what I'm working on. Still working on it. Probably going to work on it for the next five years.
Jen Dugard (05:47.96)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Dugard (05:57.774)
I love it, I love it. Tracy, let's, I mean, that's a really beautiful segue into give us a little bit of a background of your journey in or out of the fitness industry that's got you to your app. And then we'll talk about your sexy aging app. And then we've got some great other conversations for the listeners coming up.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (06:15.854)
Yeah, I feel like most women who work out probably will experience this if they haven't already. That moment of, hey, look, I'm working out every day and my diet is super clean and I feel like shit. You know, like I remember that. I was probably 45 and I was living up in Malaysia. My husband and I, we moved to Malaysia 25 years ago.
Jen Dugard (06:34.818)
Mm-hmm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (06:41.122)
We're now back in New Zealand, but we lived and worked in Asia for 20 years. And the back end of that experience was we had our own boutique fitness clubs and created our own sort of unique programming. What was really interesting was a lot of the women, it was a lot of women because it was boutique fitness. They wanted a nicer space to train in. They came in and their sort of average age was like late thirties, which is interesting. And we...
some of our most full classes were women 40 plus and that was for them the community like we're all here because there's no judgment and we're having fun but what started to become apparent both to myself physically because i was probably a little bit older than a lot of the people coming was that
that really uncomfortable physical feeling of not being able to sleep, not being able to recover, muscles always aching, joints aching like nothing. I felt like, is this what 80 feels like? And the feeling of not being able to kind of keep it all together, I felt really emotionally unstable. And that was interesting being in an environment where I felt so comfortable suddenly feeling really uncomfortable.
My body changed in a way, but probably not so much from the outset that other people would say that, but I felt bloated. I felt I'd lost muscular definition. felt like, yeah, was softening out. And while I understood that there was a certain amount of aging that could do that, I felt like it was in a way that was uncontrollable. And I really got down on myself and I had to stand up and teach classes. So I'm in front of people not feeling my best.
physically exhausted already, but obviously feeling like I don't want people to look at me kind of thing. And all of this went on for a number of years, like sort of between 45 and 48 until I was Googling late one night, as you do when you're up at 2am. You're up at 2am and I put in all these different...
Jen Dugard (08:33.478)
As you do.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (08:37.792)
emotions and feelings that I had been experiencing for a number of years. And the word perimenopause came up and I had never heard of that. Now, I'm in the fitness industry and I know one of the other well-known fitness stars in Australia, Michelle Bridges has also said the exact same thing and she actually got given a lot of flak for posting. I had never heard of perimenopause as a fitness trainer. I'm putting up my hand and saying, yes, girl.
I had the exact same experience. Now, when you've been in the fitness industry all your life and you have never heard of this stage of life for women, hormonal disruption, you you get to hear about periods and it's exciting and then pregnancy and then postpartum. And we understand how to train and be active during those stages of life. But then you get to perimenopause, it's like, excuse me, what? Scratch record? What just happened? Why did nobody tell me about this? I felt...
cheated, you know, like I felt like, you'd left the final chapter till I actually was going through it and had to figure it out for myself. So there, it was like a light bulb moment. And instead of feeling shame or embarrassment, like I feel like a lot of women feel really kind of like, I don't want to talk about this because it's linked to aging, which I have no issue with, hence sexy aging, because they feel embarrassed. They don't want to talk about menopause.
Jen Dugard (09:56.91)
You
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (10:02.286)
I'm not that girl. So I'm like, what the fuck? Why is nobody talking about this? And I started a podcast around, you know, what it means to be aging and a big part of that was menopause and menopause education. So I actually started my podcast five years ago and I look back on some of those early interviews and there's a lot of information in there that wasn't actually out there publicly.
Jen Dugard (10:06.542)
I love it.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (10:29.87)
until like quite recently. So I interviewed some really top level doctors and really covered, know, what's actually happening to a woman as she's going through menopause and all the different symptoms and the nutrition and the strength training. And I got to really talk to a lot of those people that were in that space very early on. So I got an education.
And as I was being educated through my own podcasts, I started to share with other people that I was coming into contact with. I looked around the room at my spin classes and I went, she's a menopause, she's a menopause. But they would ask me, they would say things like, I don't understand why I'm sweating and I haven't even started the warmup yet. Or I just can't sleep and I'm so tired and I can't sleep. So I was hearing the exact same thing coming from clients in my classes.
that I had been going through and I'm like, girl, I got you. It's called menopause. And you could literally see them go, what? Isn't that for like old ladies? And that was exactly the experience that I had had, which is, isn't this for people like sixties? You know? So yeah, that was my experience and the discovery of what was happening to my body. And I basically made it my mission to help women understand what is happening and how to get on top of it.
Jen Dugard (11:35.79)
Mmm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (11:49.346)
because you can get on top of it. Life is not over. And actually once you figure out how to support your body and your mind and your relationships, because it's like every, it's like a major overhaul of your life, this stage of life. And it's pretty freaking incredible to come out the other end and look back and go, you can do this. It's gonna be hard. It's gonna be gnarly. It's gonna be nasty. You may leave your husband. But you turn into this,
amazing sort of person who really knows what it means to be living on this planet and that is the work that I do and I love it.
Jen Dugard (12:28.876)
love it and I love listening to you and I'm gonna make a little confession is that I am 44 and I feel like I'm living in denial because I'm not ready to face the changes which sounds like not necessarily where you were but I think that I'm gonna ask in this podcast all of the dumb questions to go okay well what should I be looking out for and and all of these things I've done you know I'm in this space so I obviously know some things but I do feel like I've kind of just gone
Blink is down, I'm not that old yet. I don't wanna deal with this. So I'm gonna take a lot of education out of today's conversation. One question I have for you is if you knew what you know now, before all those signs and symptoms started to happen, would you have done anything different? Let's start there.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (13:16.78)
Yeah, there's a lot of things I would have done differently. Yeah. Okay. So where do I start? I'm actually going to start with the physical exercise because that was my whole life. So as I felt like my body was changing, I actually dialed up the cardio. So I started getting back to 10K runs. I started doing spin classes every single day. I dumbed down the weight training because I didn't have the physical energy and my muscles were already sore and fatigued. Like I mentioned that I was feeling like I couldn't
recover. So I focused all my energy on cardio to try to keep the calorie balance there, which is what works when you're younger. So what I would have done differently is I would have looked at the science.
of what's happening to my body as my hormones are shifting and my body is going into inflammation and glucose intolerance. My metabolism is not firing up as fast as it was in my earlier years. Why is that? Because as estrogen drops, I'm losing lean muscle tissue. I would have done strength training. I would have switched out a couple of cardio's and switched in two times a week, full body.
strength training, pretty heavy training, obviously build up to it. I would have done that from the get go from your age, but I know that you're actually already doing it, which is amazing because there's another thing is that I'm a decade older and we were the cardio queens, right? So.
That is in our DNA is to do lots of cardio, body attack, body combat, spin classes. All of those things were our primary focus. Now I feel like it's shifting. It has shifted into the younger generation, the millennials, that they will do strength training and then they'll prioritize that and then maybe do some HIIT and maybe some cardio. So I would have done that first. The second thing I would have done is I would have increased my protein and front loaded at the beginning of the day.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (15:14.014)
So I wasn't very, because I was doing so much cardio, I would also eat a lot of carbohydrates and there's nothing wrong with carbohydrates. I just didn't eat the right kinds. And I would be, you know, really basing my whole energy on eating a lot of carbs as in bread and pasta and stuff. Now, like I'm not saying most foods are wrong. I just felt like I could have done better.
Jen Dugard (15:14.232)
Mm-hmm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (15:35.692)
by having more protein in the morning, which I do now. And I front load protein right up until about one o'clock in the afternoon, where my focus is a protein-based meal. And I have some carbohydrates a little bit later, and healthy carbohydrates, low inflammation. And that actually helped with my digestive system to be honest. It also helped a lot with my joint pain, is to pull out those high inflammation foods, which were for me,
Jen Dugard (15:55.587)
Hmm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (16:05.134)
dairy products and wheat and sugar. Sugar and then alcohol. So but it's all a work in progress and I'm not 100 % sure that you can make all of those changes just wake up tomorrow and go okay Tracy said do this and make all those changes. I actually think because menopause is anything up to 10 years long use the five years to kind of
Jen Dugard (16:11.31)
Sugar.
Jen Dugard (16:21.474)
Mm-hmm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (16:32.95)
you know, slowly change things out and then spend the last five years of your late perimenopause feeling a little bit better and a little bit more on top of it.
Jen Dugard (16:40.928)
Yeah, do you think that people that have strength trained for a long period of time and potentially already eat in that way will have an easier transition?
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (16:50.926)
I believe so, but there is also a genetic disposition towards menopause symptoms. So if you speak to your mum, who may or may not remember or doesn't want to talk about it, because this is what I hear as well, she may say, yes, hot flashes and night sweats were major for me. But we've also got to remember that we're probably more, if you're in the fitness industry, more intentionally physically active than our parents. I definitely am. My mum...
Jen Dugard (16:55.255)
Okay.
Jen Dugard (17:13.827)
Mm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (17:16.414)
never went actually she did go to the gym for a long time and it was more about weight loss than anything and it was all cardio right so her symptoms were like severe
sweats and she would just be sweating all the time. I did experience those in the evening times in the middle of the night. So I expected to have those as a symptom, but I didn't have them all day long like my mum would. But there is a genetic predisposition to experience very similar symptoms. If your mum has joint pain and osteoarthritis, then be aware that that's also genetic, but could be a menopause symptom. yeah, also depression has a genetic link.
Jen Dugard (17:52.78)
Yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (17:56.754)
And so depression and anxiety really kind of kicks it up a notch when you go into perimenopause because you don't have those support hormones to regulate your mood. Yes.
Jen Dugard (18:07.416)
Yeah, a friend sent me a message last night. She's like, you know, the ups seem to be higher and the downs seem to be lower. And she's like, I feel like it's getting worse. And my response was, I don't think anything could get worse than my, my late teens and my twenties. So I have my fingers. Is it worse? Is it the same? Like really? I was just a mess in my twenties. Like a complete mess. Yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (18:20.123)
no, it's-
Absolutely worse. if I give you, if I, let me describe. Yeah, let me describe what it's like. Okay, well this is good to know because this is gonna give you a little bit of a heads up so you know what to expect, but more importantly, what you can do.
And I'm going to give you another tip about what I would have done sooner. All right, so if we visualize that a young girl is starting to experience her periods and she's getting this kind of dysregulation, right? So you remember when you start getting your periods, they're not that regular, they're really heavy and then they don't come for a while. And it's kind of like start, stop, start, stop. And then it kind of balances out. For most women, one in 10 will not have that experience like endometriosis and PCOS and...
So we've got to acknowledge that not every woman is going to have a regular menstrual period or cycle. So if we imagine that that experience is a five out of 10, that dysregulation, perimenopause is a 10 out of 10. Okay, so it... Yeah, so it doubles.
Jen Dugard (19:22.798)
I don't know if can do that again.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (19:27.03)
It doubles. So if you imagine like period, you know, getting your periods as a roller coaster, it's a five out of 10. The perimenopause experience is a 10 out of 10. So it's way more extreme. Okay. So your hormones, your body is literally saying, come on, you can have one more baby. Come on, let's get it. Let's get going. And so the follicle stimulating hormone goes massively high. Estrogen goes, okay, okay, this month maybe. And it could be two or three months down, you know, apart. And then,
that massive estrogen high and massive low that your friend was talking about is the estrogen falling off the cliff and just that feeling of like my life is a disaster. You know, I don't know what's going on. I don't want to live with my family. Like these are things that I hear people say all the time and it's really a big part of that is hormonal. It could be that they have a shit husband. You know, let's just acknowledge that.
Jen Dugard (20:21.217)
Instead, yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (20:24.854)
I'm actually really lucky because I gave my husband a big education and a WhatsApp and your life will be really good if you understand this. Right, so that is, yeah, that's pretty much what's happening as you're going through perimenopause. Now, the one thing I would say that I would have done a lot sooner, so I went into perimenopause around 44, 45, that I'm aware of, same age as you, Jen, but I didn't start hormone replacement therapy until I was 50.
Jen Dugard (20:49.198)
Mm-hmm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (20:54.646)
Now that I know, and we also understand how safe hormone replacement therapy is, even that it's more natural than the contraceptive pill, and people don't realize that, that I would have started as soon as I realized that my symptoms were untenable and a little bit out of control. And I think the one symptom that I felt that I really needed some help was anxiety.
So physically I felt like, you know, I'm a physical trainer. I should be able to figure this out. I should be able to eat healthier. I can drop the alcohol. I can do all those things. And that would help some physical symptoms for sure. But for me, it was the anxiety. I never had anxiety in my life. Like I would never have been able to have a conversation without pausing because I'd forget the words and then I'd get anxiety. And, you know, I would never have been able to sit on a panel at a fitness conference while I was going through perimenopause without feeling really freaking out.
Jen Dugard (21:43.214)
Mm-hmm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (21:49.61)
Now I don't think about it. So HRT, hormone replacement therapy, I would have got on that a lot sooner. It was just timing. I moved from Malaysia to New Zealand and then I found a doctor here in New Zealand and New Zealand and Australia. think Australia is also funded. So it's free. And I would have started that a long time ago. And I've actually called all my girlfriends back in Malaysia and said, like, if you're feeling this way, here's the doctor to go and see.
Jen Dugard (22:06.53)
Hmm. Yeah, right.
Jen Dugard (22:19.096)
Tell me, Tracy, you said it's safe and I know that there was a research paper years and years ago that made us all believe that HRT was unsafe. Can we dig into that a little bit and give us your understanding, education reassurance? Yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (22:23.342)
you
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (22:34.71)
Yeah, so it's called the Women's Health Initiative and it was actually 2001, so quite a long time ago, we're talking like nearly 25 years ago, a study was done on women to look at the effects of estrogen. Now they did estrogen only and we know with hormone replacement therapy it's more common to use estrogen and progesterone because that's...
Jen Dugard (22:49.409)
Mm-hmm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (22:54.242)
you know, your natural cycle has those hormones. And of course we can also use testosterone for some women. That's another part of that arsenal of HRT. So the study was done on women, estrogen only. And it was actually to look at the upside of adding estrogen for your heart because there was high levels of heart disease past the age of 50. Now we know why. Women who are losing estrogen will...
increased their chances of heart disease to the same level as men and experienced heart attacks at the same level as men after the age of 50. And they wanted to find out why is this happening for women. So they introduced estrogen and they found that estrogen was positive for supporting heart disease and cardiovascular disease. But it was misreported to say that it also had a higher incidence of breast cancer. some of the things, the reasons why that
that study is so bad is because they actually tested the average age of women that they were trialing the estrogen on was about 66. Now we know that a woman is going through perimenopause from the age of about 40, but you're through perimenopause at about the age of 55 or a little bit later. So you shouldn't really be introducing estrogen that much later and just estrogen.
Jen Dugard (24:12.59)
Hmm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (24:16.398)
And of course it's going to have some issues, it showed, also the results showed a one in seven chance of an increase in breast cancer. I mean, if you drink alcohol, that's one in six chance of an increase in breast cancer. So relatively, if you're on HRT, you have some much lower risk of getting breast cancer than if you drink three glasses of wine a week, of which we know so many people. That was me.
Jen Dugard (24:28.728)
Right.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (24:43.626)
six months ago I would have had at least three glasses of wine a week on the average. I was putting myself at a higher chance of getting breast cancer drinking that wine than I am on my HRT.
Jen Dugard (24:47.694)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Dugard (24:53.112)
So you could quit alcohol and start HRT and like neutralize the risk. Makes sense to me. I don't know if that's, yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (24:56.782)
Well, that was my thinking as well. Makes sense to me. Well, yeah, HRT is the gold standard medical recommendation for women going through menopause. Absolutely. And if we're so lucky in New Zealand, Australia, the UK, that we're very far forward on this conversation. And obviously, the menopause conversation has gone into government in Australia.
Jen Dugard (25:19.63)
Mm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (25:20.392)
And there's a ton of money being thrown into that conversation in Australia. Like I applaud Australia so much. New Zealand is following as well. We've got some incredible advocates here in New Zealand that are helping women with the menopause conversation and advocating for medical support and educating doctors. Because you have to go to menopause specialists at the moment to get that kind of support. I'm really lucky my local doctor is well up to speed.
That's what I would have done. I would have started HRT at about 45.
Jen Dugard (25:52.782)
So if someone like the majority of people listening are exercise professionals that work with moms, women, women and moms, either, I mean, a lot of them are also the kind of similar age, like in their late thirties, forties, maybe early fifties, what signs and symptoms are we looking out for if we're really specific to kind of go, okay, now...
we should go see a menopause doctor and start considering HRT and how soon is too soon or at what point should we be doing that or advising our clients to potentially do that.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (26:27.574)
Yeah, that's a multifaceted question. So I've got quite a lot to bring to that. And the reason I say that is because even in the last two years, I've learned so much more about what to expect in the early stages of perimenopause. Now, the first thing we need to know is that perimenopause symptoms can start as early as your mid-30s. For some women, I think it's one in a thousand, it's earlier. And you cannot test.
Jen Dugard (26:31.106)
Go for it!
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (26:54.062)
for perimenopause, a blood test won't show it. It is diagnosed as symptomatic. Okay. Now, if you're under the age of 45, you may...
Jen Dugard (26:55.086)
Mm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (27:05.485)
have to have some blood tests just to rule out some other things like iron deficiency, PCOS is actually kind of similar to perimenopause symptoms. So dysregulated periods, putting on weight, digestive issues. So those things also look like perimenopause. And if you're under the age of 45, we'll be ruling out those things first. let me, okay, I want to stay on the straight and narrow around what I want to tell you here. You probably need to cut this bit.
Make a note of that. Let me see. okay, getting back to it. So what we now know is perimenopause symptoms first show up as things like anxiety and sleeplessness and then dysregulated periods. Okay, so if you're in your late 30s and you started to notice yourself becoming more anxious,
Most of the time you put that towards higher stress at work, wondering what's going on with the kids, where do I need to be, who needs to be where. I mean, yes, all these lifestyle factors do impact you, but your ability to modulate and regulate how you feel about all of these things becomes a little shaky. So we know that there are estrogen receptors everywhere in your body, including your brain. As estrogen starts to decline in your late 30s,
Your brain says, I just can't deal with all of this. This feels really bad. I need a mate or a helper or a nanny or a PA or I need a wife. Didn't we say that? And so that level of anxiety starts to go up. Then you stop sleeping, right? Because it's like alignment with too many things on your mind. And then you'll also notice a dysregulation of your periods. So those are the top three things to look out for.
Jen Dugard (28:40.584)
What?
Jen Dugard (28:44.92)
Yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (29:00.59)
Now that's not discounting that if you've ever had anxiety in the past and you start to feel this way again, it could be anxiety. It might not be your hormones. Okay. If you've always had dysregulated periods, it will probably just get worse. So if you notice it worsening, then it's probably period menopause and that's about to kick in. And then the next symptoms that I recognize are joint pain actually, like quite early on.
sort of early 40s. So for a lot of women, especially if they do HIIT workouts, they just put it down to, it's a HIIT workout, I've got DOMS. But then you wake up the next day and it's like, whoa, I can't straighten my knee or my elbow, I've got frozen shoulder. Crazy little random things like that. That is generally linked to perimenopause because your estrogen levels have exited the building, she's not playing anymore. So yeah, those are the first symptoms.
Jen Dugard (29:42.574)
Hmm.
Jen Dugard (29:51.566)
Mmm.
Yeah, I love that. Supplements that are not HRT, what would you recommend that we start taking sooner rather than later?
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (30:03.552)
Yeah, hey, this is a good one too, because not every woman wants to take HRT or needs to. We just know it's a gold standard. It definitely helps alleviate menopause symptoms. But there is one in five women who don't really notice symptoms that, you know, mess their lives up. So that's great. I don't know a lot of those women, to be honest.
Jen Dugard (30:20.29)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Dugard (30:24.608)
So we want to these women, yep.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (30:26.702)
You can't play with us. So there are supplements that we should be aware of as women as we age. And I think these are good as well, not just to support your menopause symptoms, but the first one I'd say is magnesium, magnesium glycinate, between two and 600 micrograms. So these are really good for muscle cramps, which happen at night or muscle cramps any time of the day. Also to help you relax and sleep.
So that's really good. So it helps with those menopause symptoms, but it's also a really good supplement generally for a woman. If you know that you're iron deficient because you've had blood tests, and of course that's going to be on your menu, vitamin D, once again, some of these are generalized supplements that we're hearing more and more of for women generally, but even more so as we go into menopause because of our hormones shifting. So vitamin D, which helps with the bone density.
Right? And also, you know, because we're not getting the efficiency of vitamin D from the sun into our skin is not as efficient. Our estrogen receptors have dialed down. we need to... Yep. So that's ultimately how you get vitamin D is just by the sun. And we should still try and do that. But the reason why a lot of women as they age don't do that is because they don't want to age from the sun, but now they're not getting vitamin D. So you've got to supplement it.
Jen Dugard (31:30.926)
I didn't know that, okay.
Jen Dugard (31:43.416)
Mm-hmm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (31:48.47)
And then omega-3s, which help with the inflammation that naturally occurs as you're going through menopause. So as estrogen goes down, inflammation goes up. And one of the ways that you can help support that is with omega-3s, either through diet or through supplements. So those are my key ones. And then just a woman's multivitamin. And I'll just say also protein supplements because...
With the bare-ass minimum amount of protein that you need as you're going through menopause, I think it's very difficult to get it from eating three meals a day. Okay, and plus we need fiber as well. So I would recommend at least one protein shake a day just to supplement your protein intake. And there's lots of really good ones out there. Just make sure that it's got leucine as an amino acid because that also is gonna help.
with our low lean muscle tissue. Also keep the sugar content below five grams per serving.
Jen Dugard (32:39.246)
Mmm.
Jen Dugard (32:44.78)
Yeah, do you like the ones that I like the chief collagen protein? Is that a good? It's a good one. Yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (32:49.806)
Ooh, yeah, that's a good one. And yeah, I mean, any of them that have collagen in it is also really good, but you know, there's not a lot of really good science around the effects of collagen. yeah, it's for my skin and my joints and my digestive system. So I mean, I actually throw it in there because like, why not? Why not, you know? Yeah, okay, so if you're active,
Jen Dugard (33:00.834)
Sounds good though, doesn't it? It's gonna be good for my skin. Yeah.
Yeah. What about what about creatine?
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (33:16.598)
and you want to maintain that lean muscle tissue, then we know that creatine is good to help with your workouts and recovery. And also, a lot of people don't realize this, it actually really helps with brain clarity. So I do take creatine, I actually take it in a gummy because I'm like, you know, I got to keep things enjoyable.
Jen Dugard (33:23.266)
Yeah.
Jen Dugard (33:28.675)
Yeah.
Jen Dugard (33:34.03)
Keep things fun. Yep.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (33:37.48)
keep things fun, yeah, and they've got a new mango flavor out and stuff, so that's cool. I used to take creatine when I was younger in my 20s and doing bodybuilding, so it kind of made sense to me, yeah, I know that that was a supplement that I took back then, now that I'm primarily strength training, of course I'm gonna, I feel validated that I should be taking creatine, but I feel like it actually gives me a little bit of brain clarity and that's important.
Jen Dugard (33:57.133)
Hmm.
Jen Dugard (34:01.644)
Yeah, I did a CrossFit, I got roped into a CrossFit competition a couple of weeks ago and we actually came second, which was fun. But in our second place, Goody Bag was a creatine and magnesium powder. So was like, win. That was good.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (34:06.774)
I saw your pictures. Yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (34:18.146)
That's so good, yeah. Obviously the powder form I'd definitely recommend, but it depends on how many potions you want to be whipping up, you know? Yeah.
Jen Dugard (34:26.38)
Yeah, I hear you. They've all got different flavours and it's like, can you merge the flavours together and does that taste really bad?
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (34:31.478)
Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, it would be good to just have the one supplement and someone calls it the one. Right? We should. Yeah. If anybody out there that wants to create a winning menopause supplement, get in touch with Jen and I.
Jen Dugard (34:37.688)
The one, we should do that, that's a business idea. It's the one.
Jen Dugard (34:46.976)
Yeah, yeah, we're all over it. Hey, we had this conversation just before we started recording around the, I mean, you talked about geriatric pregnancy and I feel like we need to throw that terminology out of the window. But, know, more, not more importantly, but the collision between pregnancy when you're a little older and perimenopause. Can you, I love this topic and I've been, I know that I'm not the person to talk about the topic, but the topic needs to be talked about.
So share with us your experience Tracy and some of the key things that you've learned for women that are having babies, you know, over 35 or over 40.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (35:22.434)
Hmm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (35:27.094)
Yeah, and a lot of women can relate to this because we, especially in my demographic, I feel like we've been told, we came through the, you can have it all mantra, right? And in the fitness industry, I was just really lucky to be able to follow my dreams, which meant being a full-time international trainer overseas. But what that meant is the amount of travel that I had to do for that job.
made it difficult to figure out when I was going to have children and would I actually be around to, you know, be their mum. So I left it late. I had my first child at 35, which is kind of late already. And then my doctor said, look, if you're really going to expand on your family, you probably want to try.
a little bit sooner. But in the magazines I'm seeing like Nicole Kidman and all the movie stars like having kids at 40, 42, 44 and going oh if they can do it I can do it and I was fit and healthy so I believed I could do it. My experience was I did get pregnant multiple times and I lost babies multiple times. So I ended up pregnant probably the fifth time.
at 42 with my son who's now 12. So I was what they termed a geriatric pregnancy and like you say, really don't like that terminology but it is the actual terminology and I was given a specialist doctor and everything and I actually dialed back quite a lot on the exercise front and decided I would give it my best shot.
Jen Dugard (36:40.174)
So bad.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (36:50.606)
to see this pregnancy through and luckily we have a great result. But what was really interesting about that is now in hindsight what I know is your progesterone levels are dropping from mid 30s and that's why doctors tell you it gets a bit dangerous to try and have a pregnancy after the age of 35. And if any woman has ever heard that, I now know why. Your progesterone is dropping and you are actually in the very early stages of perimenopause.
Jen Dugard (37:14.99)
Hmm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (37:20.334)
So here I am at 42 lucky to be pregnant naturally was looking at IVF and everything And then you know have have my baby go through the challenges of breastfeeding in the middle of the night and being tired But accepting that that's what it was because I've done it the first time But then by the time my son was two and I'm now 44 My periods don't come back to normal. I'm starting to feel like
Jen Dugard (37:45.774)
Hmm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (37:47.604)
he's sleeping through the night, why am I not sleeping through the night? You know, like I'm now the toddler and feeling generally pretty poorly and just losing my mojo.
I look back on that now and realize that my hormones never regulated to full capacity, that I was going through perimenopause probably from the age of 43. And by 44, 45, I was in perimenopause. And like I've already mentioned, I didn't realize till I was 48. So I had like three or four years of shit times and masking it as well, because new business, new mom, know, trying to hold it all together.
Jen Dugard (38:16.046)
Hmm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (38:26.912)
I mean, like, yeah, it was pretty bad. And I was just lucky that I had really good friends, but I never spoke to them about it. And I do think that is a big thing that we're challenged by society is that you can leave it later. I've actually spoken to my daughter. said, you know, when you, when and if you decide to have a family.
Don't leave it too late like I did. Like whatever the circumstances are and you go, oh, I've just got to get this job done. I've just got to succeed to this point in my career. I've just got to buy this house. I mean, like if you really want a family and you want to, you know, survive this moment, try and do it a bit sooner. That would be my call now.
Jen Dugard (39:09.602)
It's interesting because I did have my babies at 27, Marley at 27, Indy at 29 and it's you have a different perspective when you come out the other side because all of the life that you feel like you're losing by having them earlier even though I didn't I didn't even have that awareness then I was like cool let's have a baby but you get back so much sooner so now I've got like three more years of school and it's like I've got this whole runway
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (39:30.881)
Yeah.
Jen Dugard (39:37.15)
assuming we're all lucky enough to live out that runway that ahead of me. there is no right or wrong, but I think what I'm hearing you say is if you know that you want a family, there's never gonna be a right time. But for you as a woman, it's gonna potentially make it easier the early that you do it, physiologically and then emotionally as well.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (39:49.165)
Hmm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (39:56.439)
Yeah.
Yeah, and then you're not going to bang up against perimenopause. You know, yeah.
Jen Dugard (40:02.7)
Yeah, so for women that are in that or they're just going, my goodness, I just had this light bulb moment of I had my babies exactly like you did or similar age and I'm not getting back on track. What are the things that they can do now to support where they're at?
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (40:18.67)
Yeah, I think the first thing is that what we've spoken about is the realization that you will not get your body.
Jen Dugard (40:21.293)
Yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (40:24.878)
back to that level as far as regulation of hormones go and the impact on that on your body and your mind. So there's a level of acceptance and then it's like, okay, so I'm in perimenopause, what are all the things that I need to do to take care of myself? Because you've got to take care of yourself. There has to be a lot more self-care before you can be available for everyone else. So you do need to be a little bit selfish. And I know that's quite confronting when you are an older parent and you've got a young person in the house, but
Jen Dugard (40:28.642)
Yeah.
Jen Dugard (40:51.821)
Mm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (40:53.592)
your role modeling what it means to take care of yourself and whether that's just shutting the bedroom door and getting 15 minutes of breathing or bringing your stress levels down because the stress impact is gonna make those perimenopause symptoms way worse as well. So just that realization of like, you need to take care of yourself because otherwise it just, life feels shit. It does, it's really fricking hard. It's hard to have a small.
Jen Dugard (41:16.088)
Mmm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (41:19.584)
person in the house with you when you go through period menhorses and a teenage daughter.
Jen Dugard (41:25.87)
Totally, that's where, well guess indeed, yeah. There's a little bit of that. She's 14, so nearly 15. Nearly 15, yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (41:28.462)
She's a little older now, right? Oh, oh no, this is it. This is it. You're in exactly the same situation. I was, my daughter was like 13 when I started perimenopause symptoms. And I'm like, and she, and I'm like, oh my gosh, she's such a bitch. And teenagers are such assholes. But then I was as bad. So it was like having two majorly, you know, pre-menstrual women. mean, and it's just.
Why is that? I mean that's just, and we actually survived it. The two of us. Yeah. And life is good now. Yeah.
Jen Dugard (42:01.742)
Well done, that is good, that is good. Yeah, I'm lucky I touch wood and I say this all the time. It's like I got a good one. I got a teenager that hasn't told me that she hates me and she still wants to hang out with me. So I'm holding that for as long as I possibly can. Hey Tracy, you have an app called Sexy Aging. Tell us about the app, tell us about the business, tell us why it's called Sexy Aging and what you're out in the world actually doing in this space.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (42:09.326)
You got a good one. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (42:31.544)
Sexy Aging is the whole business that I offer. So it's the podcast, the online course, yeah. So that's the brand name. And the brand name came from a place of, I've mentioned that I felt like I lost my mojo. And I wanted to, and I didn't like the words of marketing anti-aging. Like there's a couple of things that really great to me, right?
Jen Dugard (42:33.71)
Got it. Yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (42:52.046)
Also that whole conversation around aging as women and what we should be like and should be doing. I feel like we're actually spinning that on its head. There's quite a few of us that are going, aging should be celebrated. It can mean whatever it wants.
whatever you want it to mean. for me, I don't put myself out there and go, I'm sexy, look at me. It's not that. I lived in Asia and the word sexy has slightly different connotation. It basically means feeling good about yourself. So I took my experience of being around that word and going, sexy aging is something that is meaningful to me. So yeah, that's what it means. And then developing the fitness app is kind of like,
it made sense to me. I had been involved in a fitness app development while I lived in Malaysia. Actually a couple of them, one of them was workouts based. And this time I thought I want to pull something together, all the nutrition, all the strength training, all the yoga, all the balance work that you need to do and the core training, a bit of Pilates and pull it all together into one place.
you know, your coach in your pocket. So the Sexy Aging app was created and there are subscribers in there, which are fantastic people that have been there since the get go, which is awesome. And that is my primary business that I want to keep building. So yeah, I mean, I love it. And it feels like I've been able to keep my finger in the pie with fitness because it is a passion, but it's been really good to go. personal painful experience has now created this little baby.
Jen Dugard (44:26.092)
Hmm, so good isn't it when we take, we see something in the world that wasn't available for us and then create something off the back of that that can help so many, so many people. I really loved hearing your definition of sexy because I think it can be, you know, my brain at first has to kind of go, well, what does that mean? And how we, why are we using the word sexy and does sexy mean you have to be a certain body shape or a certain body type? But I'm hearing that that's not.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (44:26.338)
You know?
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (44:47.18)
It's challenging.
Jen Dugard (44:55.607)
Not in Rome.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (44:56.59)
Not at all. Actually, a lot of people say, we really like the sexy aging. think, well, because it's memorable and it's good marketing. Right. If you've been in business a long time, you know that you've got to come up with something that people remember. If you make it too hard to remember, they're not going to remember. So and then it's really nice to be able to explain my thinking around why I actually stuck with that. And I thought about it for a long time before I actually owned it. And yeah, I mean, it could be.
Jen Dugard (45:03.17)
Well, totally. Yep.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (45:23.776)
Okay, the menopause space or something. Actually, someone else gave me some other idea and said, why don't you call it something like this? And I just went, actually, I'm not a boring person. So that's boring. So yeah, that was it. I felt like it really did align with me. Once again, I said, I don't say or claim that I'm sexy. I feel like I feel good about myself. And that's why it aligns with me as a person.
Jen Dugard (45:51.242)
Yeah, and it's the exact message that we're getting out there is that all we want to get out there is that, you know, there isn't one size or shape that should we should be. It's an energy from within and how we feel about ourselves and, you know, how our body looks on the outside. It's got, it's no one's business really. But yeah, it's that real kind of internal projection of who we are and how we feel about ourselves. Owning it.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (46:01.047)
Nope.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (46:16.384)
Yeah, owning it, know, owning how you feel about yourself. Yeah.
Jen Dugard (46:20.076)
Yeah, absolutely. Tracy, tell us a little bit more about the courses that you've got.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (46:24.342)
Yeah, so I do have an online course, but it's actually now in the app. So yeah, so I feel like that was a good. That was something that I built a while ago. I also wrote a book about my personal experience, but I did actually create the course when online courses were quite big and then I've since pulled it out and given it into the app.
Jen Dugard (46:29.55)
Got it.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (46:44.396)
where people are subscribing. So they get the free content around, you know, what is Menopause? What's your experience? And, you know, all the things. So it's really kind of stuck there now. And I'm like, I'm wondering, do I re-release it to the public as a general course and, you know, just free education or whatever. But yeah, I have to have a think about that. But I feel it's, yes, in a good place because the app is a good platform for people to have like everything.
Jen Dugard (46:50.412)
Yep.
Jen Dugard (47:03.01)
Yeah
Jen Dugard (47:09.175)
Yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (47:12.071)
and I feel like it's worth it to Yeah.
Jen Dugard (47:14.67)
So if I was a trainer working with women over 30, what would you say that I need to go and get more education in perimenopause and menopause?
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (47:26.422)
Yeah, it's not that hard actually. It's like learning the back end of the menstrual cycle and then understanding how it impacts women. It's not that difficult. I actually did do a course online and I'm actually redoing it at the moment and it's through a company called MedFit, which is an American company and they have an endocrinologist doctor who is a cross fitter who put together the most awesome course on menopause fitness training.
Jen Dugard (47:32.131)
Mm-hmm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (47:53.998)
So I did that one and that was fantastic. I think that you, to get up to speed as a trainer, if you want to specialize in menopause fitness training, I highly recommend doing a course to get that certification for sure, because it's a really lucrative business opportunity. With the demographics of women, we know that the average age for women training in the fitness industry now is going up.
Jen Dugard (48:21.23)
Mm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (48:21.23)
and they're getting closer into that menopause age. So it is definitely, if you were gonna specialize, you would probably do really, really well as a fitness trainer. Yeah.
Jen Dugard (48:29.762)
Yeah, I'm listening to you say that and I have this like dichotomy and I have myself been saying that pre and postnatal exercise is a good business opportunity because I feel like we need to crack through to some people that don't necessarily want to change things when we start to talk about money and profit and you know the viability it's really good and then I get really pissed off at the same time that you know women are
over 50 % of the population, they're over 50 % of the demographic that are using our gyms and fitness facilities, yet it's not just fucking embedded into all the things. So it's like pregnancy, postnatal, perimenopause, menopause, and it shouldn't need to be this special population for us to learn about it. And I also know that it is and all the rest of it.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (48:57.687)
Yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (49:14.435)
Yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (49:17.804)
Yeah, I know it comes under special population when like most of the population and the Germans, you know what? Yeah.
Jen Dugard (49:22.722)
Yeah, really, I've said this in the podcast before, really, it should be men that are the special population and we need to flip all our certificates because there's less men doing it than there is women now.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (49:28.13)
Yeah
Yeah. Hey, I just want to give a heads up while I'm on the podcast to say that I did do a training, like a live training for the trainers at Virgin Act of Singapore. They wanted to know how to train menopause or women because they saw their demographics shifting significantly and they felt that that was important enough to address it. So I just want to, you know, sort of say like they were out the gate pretty quickly and
Jen Dugard (49:41.588)
cool.
Jen Dugard (49:45.422)
Mm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (49:57.356)
I feel like it's like you, Jen, still very, very slow in the fitness industry to go, you know, what we need to get this training into our gyms and put this training in front, not just in front of our trainers, but get the opportunity to speak to the clients of the gym by holding workshops and giving them the information that they need, empowering them, and then aligning the client's knowledge with the trainer's knowledge and everyone wins.
Jen Dugard (50:11.725)
Mmm.
Jen Dugard (50:22.734)
Yeah, I like that alignment because I've spoken to a few gyms and fitness facilities and they're like, we'll come and do a workshop for our clients, but we don't want to leave the trainers behind because now all of a sudden your clients know more than your trainers know and your trainers look stupid. yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (50:30.574)
But yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (50:35.756)
When it comes to perimenopause, that is the facts. A woman who knows she's in perimenopause and if she's gone to see a GP and she has HRT, she knows more about menopause and how to look after herself than the trainer does, which is kind of fricking sad. Yeah, yeah.
Jen Dugard (50:46.99)
Absolutely. It's scary. It's scary. Tracy, you're going into corporates. Tell us a little bit about that from a business perspective because we've got a lot of trainers listening, but then also the impact that's having on the employees of the corporates that you're going into. So from a business, how are you doing it? What does that look like? And then the impact.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (51:03.127)
Yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (51:08.44)
So I do promote myself as a menopause educator and I do offer workshops specifically for the corporate environment. companies reach out to me directly and they book me for my time and either online if it's an international company because a lot of companies have offices all around the world or if it's in New Zealand they might fly me around and I'll go out and spend some time with their whole team, men and women.
Jen Dugard (51:11.406)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Dugard (51:35.811)
Mm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (51:36.398)
We want the men in the room and we'll talk about what menopause is, how it affects women at work, and most importantly, how do we support the women at work? Because we've seen, once again, the demographics aging in the workplace and this is not a DEI conversation. This is like a normal conversation we should be having. A lot of managers want to know how do I have the conversation with someone that's struggling? So we cover that kind of thing as well.
Jen Dugard (51:52.718)
Mm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (52:01.25)
This is hands down one of my absolute favorite things that I do because it's face-front, know, facing people, they let down their guards, they ask the big questions, and a lot of the questions are coming from men. They often come to my workshops and come and speak to me afterwards and say, you've just explained my wife or my partner, and now I know what she's going through, I'm gonna do things a little bit differently. So not only are we shifting the conversation for women to feel...
that they don't have to have the shame at work or dumb it down, but we're shifting the conversation for men to be better partners and brothers and sons and yeah. So it's really, I mean, I absolutely love that part of what I do.
Jen Dugard (52:36.28)
Mmm.
Jen Dugard (52:40.59)
And I think the men being part of the conversation is so incredibly important.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (52:46.222)
Yeah, yeah, I mean, they're half of the conversation. If they want their marriage to survive. I mean, because we know the stats, right? The highest amount of divorces that happen as women, they're age 45 to 55.
Jen Dugard (53:03.118)
Do you think, is that a perimenopause thing or is that a kids have left home and you've not nurtured your relationship thing?
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (53:06.958)
Yeah. A bit of everything, yeah. But I mean, as women are going through periodomaniacal, they just don't have the bandwidth for shit anymore. you know, they might say and do a few things that are a bit compromised as well, but also they just look at maybe their significant other and you've done everything for them the whole time and they've just got lulled into this safe space where she's going to do it all. And then suddenly she's like, I ain't fucking doing shit.
Jen Dugard (53:11.084)
Yeah. Yeah.
Jen Dugard (53:18.476)
I like that.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (53:36.844)
And then they're like, what just happened? Yeah.
Jen Dugard (53:39.054)
Yeah, how did my life get turned upside down? Well, because you weren't paying attention to what was happening in her life or your combined lives. Yeah. Tracy, to wrap us up, if I was to ask you what the biggest change or what your legacy will be, and I heard you at the start say this is my, you know, probably potentially my last gift to the fitness industry. If you articulate what your legacy will be or what you want it to be, is that?
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (53:44.31)
Yeah. Yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (54:08.362)
Yeah, that's really interesting because I actually, as you started to ask the question, what popped into my mind was maybe one of the thousands of classes I've ever taught. I visualized myself teaching a class and I guess, and it's not related to menopause, and I guess it's just that someone somewhere out there had an experience with me, maybe the first class I ever walked into, and they went on to fall in love with fitness.
Jen Dugard (54:36.846)
Mm.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (54:37.518)
And if I have done that for anyone, and I don't know, I mean, sometimes you get the odd message, I know, but I'm feeling like, yeah, I'm feeling like if I've done that for someone, then I feel so grateful that I had that chance.
Jen Dugard (54:42.274)
Of course he. It's inevitable.
Jen Dugard (54:52.844)
I love that. Tracy, if somebody wants to find out more about you, where you hang out, what you offer, where do they go?
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (55:00.652)
Yeah, it's easy, sexyaging.com. So, Aging with an E. I have a website and everything's on their podcast at, know, email address if they need to get in touch with me. Yeah.
Jen Dugard (55:12.334)
Beautiful. Thank you so much for joining me today. It's been such a pleasure to get to know you over the last probably six, six, eight months. Hopefully our paths cross again this year in person somewhere, I don't know where yet. And I'm excited to continue to watch the growth of sexy aging and also, you know, the combined conversations that we're able to have in the women's health space to create lasting change.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (55:15.308)
Thank you.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (55:19.991)
Yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (55:25.112)
Yeah.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (55:36.054)
Yeah, same. I have a feeling like even after this conversation that you and I should be banding together and doing a whole women's wellness event from the beginning to the end. Yeah, it is. I think we might have mentioned that. That's gonna happen somewhere sometime and someone's gonna pick it up for us and all we have to do is show up. I love that. Yeah. Cool.
Jen Dugard (55:46.464)
It's there, it's sitting there, isn't it? It's sitting there. It's sitting there. Mmm. Yeah.
Jen Dugard (55:56.45)
That would be cool. I'd be so up for that. The seed has been planted. We'll put it out to the universe and see what comes back. Have a beautiful day, Tracy. I'll talk to you soon.
Tracy - CEO Sexy Ageing (56:02.39)
There you go.
Thank you.
