Jen Dugard (00:00.95)
So let's say you're working with a trainer who does have more knowledge, let's say maybe they're a mom safe trainer and you're supporting a woman with breast cancer. What are some of the things that that trainer can be doing?
Anna Bradley (00:14.638)
Yeah, so definitely if hopefully if they're working with an exercise physiologist because a lot of the big cancer centers now do have oncology exercise physiologists Hopefully you can connect in with them or at the very least connect in You may not necessarily have a direct pathway to their oncologists But yeah connecting with their GP or something like that just to understand, you know, what's going on and
if they do know what their capacity is, But we do really want to continue to encourage exercise throughout their breast cancer treatment. And it's not so the advice used well, if we kind of do a bit of a timeline, the advice previous, like many, many years ago was do nothing during treatment and rest, rest where you can.
Jen Dugard (01:06.435)
Hmm.
Anna Bradley (01:09.294)
And then the next level advice became yep, gentle exercise is okay. Whereas now we like a quite confident in the research that we can actually exercise to a reasonable level like I've got some women in particular with strength training working in that high intensity strength training to maintain and preserve muscle mass because we know that that has such a huge impact on things like fatigue
protecting their bone health, reducing the amount of muscle that they lose, whether that be from being more sedentary because of treatment or the impact of treatment itself. So there's quite a big focus at the moment on strength training and preserving muscle mass. But I guess if we're talking from that mom safe trainer level, where you can finding out how they're actually talking to the person, like how are you managing
What's your side effects? Is there a particular time of the day that you have more energy, that kind of thing? How much is fatigue impacting you? Because then that can help you just gently encourage them to continue with exercise. We really know that exercise has a big impact on managing fatigue, but it's a bit of a fine balance with that. You can definitely push it too hard and it go the other way and be detrimental.
Jen Dugard (02:17.166)
Mm.
Anna Bradley (02:33.782)
So you wanna make sure that you're not adding to that. And yeah, like I said, where you can link in with an exercise physiologist who has that knowledge and skill set, because it's really gonna mean at the end of the day that that person is going to be able to continue with your sessions and exercise throughout treatment. that's a win for everyone. It's gonna be really helpful for that person going through the treatment. But then you're gonna be able to keep them in their sessions as...
Jen Dugard (02:41.614)
Mm.
Anna Bradley (03:02.816)
as they're feeling comfortable to do it. The other thing that we are just mindful of, especially if it's group settings, potentially group settings with young kids there as well, is just that they may be immunocompromised. So, you know, thinking about, okay, if you're in an outdoor space and you can keep them away from people who may, you know, have colds and flus and that kind of thing, then, you know, that might be helpful or just having a chat to the...
the other people in the group. So if you're feeling unwell, please don't show up to sessions because we've got someone who may be impacted by that. So yeah, there's definitely a lot and what I mentioned before with COSA who are really encouraging exercise to be in standard care, it comes right from their medical team.
Jen Dugard (03:34.67)
Mm.
Anna Bradley (03:56.974)
through to their allied health team and through to people in the community. So if there's more trainers that understand that it's beneficial and then also know how to work with these allied and health professionals, then we're gonna keep a lot more people moving during that treatment.
Jen Dugard (04:15.916)
Yeah. Question, does chemotherapy affect her pelvic floor? Random question. Does it have an effect either way? Like would it make someone with pelvic floor weakness worse or is it more, like does it have, is there any relevance at all?
Anna Bradley (04:33.501)
No, so I've never come across anything that where chemotherapy would impact pelvic floor health. The main thing we look at is more so impacts on estrogen. So say for example, if they are premenopausal and they're going, they essentially get put into a like a medical menopause throughout their treatment to try and potentially try and protect fertility or if they have.
an estrogen-receptive tumor, we want to reduce that estrogen. So it's more to do with the impact of estrogen or the lack of estrogen on pelvic floor where you kind of see some of those pelvic floor concerns pop up.
Jen Dugard (05:18.926)
So then how do you manage someone who has decreased estrogen, affecting their pelvic floor and needing to strength train?
Anna Bradley (05:29.099)
Yeah, yeah. Sorry, it was cutting in and out a little bit. I think I heard the end of it. I heard you were talking about estrogen and pelvic floor and then the need for strength training.
Jen Dugard (05:33.23)
That's okay. Did you know what I said?
Jen Dugard (05:42.926)
Yeah, so I'll say the question again. So it was probably about 539. I'm just waiting for it to tick over to 555. So if we're talking about the decrease in estrogen, and let's say that is affecting her pelvic floor, say the word capacity, how do we then promote strength training with the pelvic floor awareness?
Anna Bradley (06:12.982)
it's cut out again as you've said that question.
Jen Dugard (06:15.775)
It doesn't matter as long as you know what I've said you can answer. So... Okay, that's weird. Alright, I'll try one more time. 53926...
Anna Bradley (06:20.021)
I didn't hear the second half of the question.
Jen Dugard (06:29.877)
Okay, so let's say we've got a mum who is has reduced estrogen and the reduced estrogen is affecting her pelvic floor capacity. How do we then manage and we want it to strength train because we want to preserve bone health and muscle muscle mass and all that kind of thing. How would you support that situation?
Anna Bradley (06:54.669)
Yeah, so you tend to, and this is I guess where you can kind of pull on different areas of your fitness training or exercise physiology training is you kind of treat them, okay, this is similar to a perimenopause or postmenopausal woman. So we kind of layer in the levels of training. So you're looking at, you know, even doing all isolated pelvic floor training, you may, depending on what symptoms they're getting, refer to the pelvic health.
physio for a little bit extra input and then start with you know learning your base level movements good breathing patterns being able to engage through pelvic floor and then start to add load from there so you kind of like to me it feels common sense because it's like I've been doing this for a long time but yeah it's just about looking at it you know yes
they're going through cancer treatment, but you look at what kind of hormonal state they've been put into that may be similar to, you know, other things where you do have that, you know, there's a lot of, a lot of the mom safe trainers that have done more training in perimenopause. Yeah.
Jen Dugard (08:06.923)
you know what it's fascinating and pull me up on this but we've got all this conversation about perimenopause and menopause and when you're saying all of those things it's just your fucking postpartum training like how do you return a mum to exercise well if she's now in perimenopause or menopause or you know going through cancer treatment we have to train to the weakest link we have to think about pelvic floor we have to do all of these things so yeah does that
Anna Bradley (08:16.706)
Yes.
Anna Bradley (08:32.619)
Yeah, yeah, exactly right. And it's interesting because even so the research in oncology about strength training and getting to a point where you're lifting quite heavy, you know, came out maybe, you've got to try and think maybe five plus years ago. And then even in the EP world, like you saw a lot of these, I guess, oncology expert or exercise oncology experts who were then
lifting really heavy, but then they were ignoring everything else that was going on with this woman. Like they've got two young kids, they had, you know, vaginal birth and incontinence post-birth and they're ignoring all of this and just making, just seeing the oncology treatment in isolation. So yeah, it's, you've got to like, you know, look at the whole person, look at their whole history and piece that together and make sure, like you said, you're training to the weakest link.
Jen Dugard (09:30.445)
Hmm.
Anna Bradley (09:30.829)
because otherwise they're going to keep having issues, they're going to stop doing strength training, and then that's going to be even more detrimental.
Jen Dugard (09:39.681)
Yes. Do you think there is a difference in training perimenopause and menopausal women than training postpartum women?
Anna Bradley (09:51.725)
Yes and no? How's it's the air?
Jen Dugard (09:55.648)
Let's go there. I mean, there's no right answer to this question. I just want to have the conversation.
Anna Bradley (09:59.999)
Yeah, I think, well, even if you think, especially if you've got like an early postpartum mum who is breastfeeding, again, that's a low estrogen, lower estrogen environment, potentially similar to what might happen in perimenopause and postmenopause as well. So yeah, like there's definite crossovers. I think you still need to, still need to look at the different life stages and what's going on.
there because I guess even their life stage might dictate what they can commit to in terms of exercise and things like that. yeah, it's an interesting question. think, I feel like I say this all the time, it depends. yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Jen Dugard (10:47.469)
I know, I totally know it depends. I'm just, I'm really interested because I've spent a lot of time thinking about this shit at the moment, especially with this massive perimenopause menopause conversation, which I love and get frustrated about all at the same breath. Do you think, have a follow up question. Do you think women that have had babies that are either going through breast cancer treatment or any cancer treatment, cause I guess reducing the estrogen is going to be similar and or are perimenopausal and menopausal.
would have a better time if they had been properly looked after in preparation for birth and recovery postpartum.
Anna Bradley (11:24.022)
Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And I could, you know, you can see that in the women that you work with, like the women that have continued to exercise throughout those last stages and, you know, have seen the pelvic floor physio, because I, you know, I'm always asking those questions, even if they don't necessarily think it's relevant to what's going on right now. They, yeah, they can, and even if they've had a pause in their training because of what's happening right now with their treatment.
they pick it up a lot quicker and they can progress potentially to higher resistance training or doing more with their exercise. Yeah, 100%.
Jen Dugard (12:05.324)
So, no, no, no. So with the current, you're across the women's health budget, $700 million gone into women's health. No dollars gone into pregnancy or birth preparation or postpartum care. Many dollars gone into long lasting contraception. We can have that conversation or not, whether there's a pharmaceutical benefits, like big pharma wrapped up in that.
Anna Bradley (12:06.74)
Yep.
Jen Dugard (12:33.888)
But all of this money that's gone into perimenopause and menopause and endometriosis and pelvic pain, very valid. anyone listening, my frustration does not come from the fact that we've put money into women's health. I keep getting frustrated about the fact that we just seem to miss this life stage that again goes back to the reactive way that our whole world seems to work, whether it's the fitness industry, medical industry, government, whatever, let us fix.
these perimenopause and amenopausal women, I'm using the word fix on purpose, rather than going downstream and you can't prevent everything, but potentially having the 77 % of the population that will become mothers, that will become perimenopausal, menopausal, potentially have a better time. What do you think?
Anna Bradley (13:26.058)
Yeah, yeah, I just think like it's and that's always been my approach in like how I go about things like Sometimes EPs because we're working in that chronic disease space It can be seen as reactive but yeah, my thought process has always been like what if we just prevented a lot of these things and There is so much that you can do that is a lot more cost-effective than fixing the problem later. Like you said
Jen Dugard (13:37.312)
Hmm.
Anna Bradley (13:55.155)
It's, I guess it's going to allow these women potentially a lot better health outcomes in the long run. Yeah. If we just provided and it doesn't, you know, you don't have to make it complex. think it would be something that you could have a lot of impact with something that's quite simple in that life stage. And it's also like a life stage when a lot of women are receptive.
to health changes and health outcomes like impacting that area, especially during pregnancy because it's even though like we don't necessarily want it to be all about the baby, but it's not just them. So they are potentially more open to health changes, to different education, that kind of thing as well. And then, you know, if we can support them in that early postpartum period, that has huge knock-on effects to their mental health, to their long-term health.
to their families, yeah, so you can just have so much more impact if we just started a little bit earlier. Yeah, yes.
Jen Dugard (14:54.229)
Hmm.
Jen Dugard (14:58.248)
started at the start yeah and i love it like i've never really reflected on it before but the fact that you know probably along your journey would have been so easy to not focus on mums and bums and and the mum part but the fact that you've put that there
and you've anchored that preventative knowing every and whether you've done this consciously or unconsciously, I don't know. But you're educating these women when they are receptive and you know what, whatever the motivation is, let's have them listen, let's educate, let's give autonomy to knowing all of the things that trainers are often not thinking about, but for you from an EP chronic condition perspective, if I can have impact down here, no matter what they face moving forward, it's going to be.
like clear to be a better outcome.
Anna Bradley (15:44.844)
Yeah, exactly right. And I think probably at the beginning it was a little bit more unconscious, just because I really loved working in that pregnancy postpartum space. But then as time goes going on, it's a lot more deliberate. Because I've got some clients now who have been with me since the start for 12, 13 years, and I can see the impact it's had on their health long term. So yeah, it's a lot more deliberate these days.
Jen Dugard (16:12.97)
yeah I love it I just got the the phrase I'm writing down is every outcome is better when we have proper pre and postnatal care I can easily just put that lens on everything but anyway I do believe that this and I like switch to kind of the business side of things I know we started there but you have you know transitioned from being in the business all of the time to growing a multidisciplinary team
Anna Bradley (16:27.723)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Dugard (16:41.664)
How is that? Well, I know it's not always been easy for you. Give us a little bit of an insight into how you've done that. Like it's fucking brave going in, like having a physical space. I never wanted one. Like don't give me all that rent and all that kind of thing. So, you know, what made you jump into that and how may, how did you then, I guess, extract yourself from that? And what were some of the challenges along the way? That was a three-part question. I don't normally, I was very conscious in my last recording to only deliver one question at a time, but I'll deliver all three to the new mom. Yep.
Anna Bradley (17:01.255)
Yeah, you love the three-part questions.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, really make my brain work. So I think, well, when I first started my business, I kind of fell into it. I kind of had an inkling that I wanted to have my own business at some point. But yeah, was, what was I, was two years out of uni, so two years into being an EP, I was predominantly working in aged care, which it was fun, but it wasn't particularly challenging.
Jen Dugard (17:11.244)
Thanks.
Anna Bradley (17:40.428)
Um, and then, yeah, got an opportunity to start working in the, um, personal training studio that I mentioned. Um, I, guess at that point, even working in my first job, it was relatively easy for me to connect with clients and build that rapport. And like I had good client retention and all that kind of thing. So that side of things came relatively easy. I had.
no idea what I was doing in business. was, yeah, it was a bit of okay, jump in and figure it out later. So I had no idea how to market myself. As I said, the, you know, the first part of my marketing was that referrer marketing. So creating relationships. So I kind of likened that to, well, I do that with my clients. I create relationships there. I'm just going to try that with my referrers. And thankfully it, like it worked really well. We
I guess that even now our referral marketing is our strongest way of connecting with new clients. And then I guess even again early on, so what am I like mid 20s? I knew that someday I did want to and at this point in time I was probably working.
Six days a week, maybe not, definitely not seven, but at least six days a week I used to do like, and do, you know, early hours, like start at 6 a.m. Sometimes I have a little bit of a break in the day, but then you go through the 8 p.m. or whatever it is. And on Saturdays I used to do like strapping and sports trainer stuff for my brother's rugby team. So that was my working life.
But I knew early on that I did want to have a family at some point and how I was working was not going to be sustainable for that. So even though it wasn't going to be happening immediately, I knew that I needed to start to, I guess, create a business that would support me to do that. We and also, I guess, one of the big tipping points that's like, I need to have a team member, you know, someone else that's not just me is I broke my arm and I couldn't drive for six weeks.
Jen Dugard (19:30.667)
Hmm.
Anna Bradley (19:54.495)
So that was a big tipping point to try and kind of be like, okay, I need to have some backup here rather than not work for a number of weeks. So I brought on my first team member. So that would have been trying to think three years into the business, I think, another exercise physiologist at that point.
we didn't have our standalone clinic. think it was the year after that we, I went into having a standalone clinic and then starting to bring in that multidisciplinary team. So the team started off, I guess my exercise physiologists were employed by me as well as my admin team, but we had physio massage and dietitian who were all contractors. Cause that felt, I guess a little bit safer rather than me having to support.
all of these salaries. And then, as time has gone on, we've bought on different team members so that we're all, guess, yeah, creating that brand identity, that central team and culture and, yeah, growing from there.
Jen Dugard (21:08.073)
Yeah. What are some of the biggest challenges that you had along the way?
Anna Bradley (21:13.95)
Definitely finance and not knowing my numbers or just being a little bit can't deal with that right now. So that's like that has taken a lot of time to get on top of and really understand all of that and make sure that I'm literate in all of that and I don't have to see it as a scary thing. I think
Jen Dugard (21:20.043)
I don't want to look at my numbers.
Jen Dugard (21:25.611)
Hmm.
Anna Bradley (21:40.351)
people and leading a team has, although your people are your biggest asset, they can also sometimes be your biggest challenge. And I've definitely had to level up in terms of making sure that I'm mentoring them and providing that guidance, but I'm also having hard conversations because I definitely early on, yeah, probably got walked over a little bit and.
offered everything to people who were just not pulling their weight. So that's been a big learning. Trying to think any other challenges. COVID I think was a big one. I think that was a big challenge for everyone in terms of navigating that. And we kind of went through that COVID period. And then I went into maternity leave and things like that. So probably the last five years.
Jen Dugard (22:20.607)
Hmm.
Anna Bradley (22:35.902)
have been, they've had both, I guess both extremes in terms of challenges. But then some also really amazing things with different team members stepping up in the business, me knowing that I can fully step away as well, and getting the business to that point as well.
Jen Dugard (22:54.507)
How I mean we talked right at the beginning around that navigating maternity leaves and how you've done this one a lot different to the last one you know, the last one was out of necessity not out of anything else, but What would you say to anyone who's running their own business and wanting to have babies?
Anna Bradley (23:15.198)
I think you can definitely do both. think a lot of women often think like it's one or the other, or they kind of think, that means I've got to put my business on pause while I do this. if that's truly what you feel is the right thing to do, then I think also follow that intuition. But yeah, it's definitely possible. You do need to make sure that you're putting the right things in place.
And think interestingly enough, even though I had time, like I knew that, you know, like I said, from mid twenties, I knew that I wanted kids and I was building, putting things in place. Probably the most productive time I had was second trimester, like three months, because the first trimester you feel shit. Second trimester, you kind of have a lot more energy and that last trimester, like you're starting to feel a lot more tired and stuff like that. So.
There's a lot that you can put in place in your business and get it ready in a short amount of time if you've got that time pressure.
Jen Dugard (24:22.666)
There's nothing like a pending deadline is there? And a baby is definitely a pending deadline. Yeah, I think as well, you know, the lessons that you learned and share some insight into your journey, but the lessons that you were able to learn early on, like around finances and team, like had you not had those lessons before stepping out of the business, it could have been very different because...
Anna Bradley (24:24.842)
Yeah. Yeah.
Jen Dugard (24:47.112)
You've got to know if you're not going to be in the business, you've got to be able to afford to have someone there. And then I guess this was something you potentially learned from the first time around, where if somebody leaves and you don't want to step back in again, you've got to have the infrastructure and the processes and all of that kind of thing to be able to onboard somebody else, someone very quickly.
Anna Bradley (25:04.53)
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Right. you, yeah, it's like, I think it's like people sort of say motherhood is the biggest teaching moment, but also business is a huge teaching moment and all the different things that pop up there. like, you know, being aware, I guess you could very easily have been like, yep, okay, that happened. And, you know, maybe it's not going to happen again. But I didn't go into this second pregnancy and matly, naively, I think I had like,
a million different backup plans. And even when our last team member, when she resigned, my, like my mom does some admin in the background of our business as well. And she sort of said, so are you going to jump, jump back into clients? And I was like, very strong, like, no, that's not happening. Like this time is important for me. And, you know, I've
I've got the right team members there. I know how to hire someone. know how to onboard them. Like you said, the infrastructure is there so that I don't have to step back in.
Jen Dugard (26:06.164)
Yeah, well done. It's not easy. And if you could change the world or the landscape in one way, what is the most important thing that you feel like we need to get done?
Anna Bradley (26:08.581)
No.
Anna Bradley (26:23.145)
That's a big question.
I still think that like truly getting to a point where we are being a lot more preventative in our healthcare system because there's a lot of fluff about prevention and stuff like that, but I don't think like we're not there. yeah, it's just like, it even goes like, you know, with the oncology space, like we can show hard facts and numbers how much
You know people are often driven by money like how much money you can save just by putting these more preventative things in place so you're not letting someone get as You deconditioned or if we're talking about the postpartum space. We're not letting women have Birth trauma impact What happens with their physical activity and their movement throughout their lifespan? So I think yeah getting to a point where we can have
real impact with preventative health programs that would make a huge difference.
Jen Dugard (27:33.29)
I love it. love it. And you do some education for other EPs and mentoring them. Do you want to just touch on that a little bit in case there's EPs listening and they want to learn more?
Anna Bradley (27:43.08)
Yeah, so I started mentoring four years ago now and I have two streams with the mentoring. So one is purely clinical, so oncology and women's health. And that's usually early career EPs who are wanting to focus in on that area. And then the other thing that I have been doing is mentoring other female business owners because I think
And this is something that has just, I guess, I've noticed over the years. I've had some amazing business coaches, both female and male, but the male's just tempted. They do it differently and they do it differently. Their approach is different. I guess what we need to consider as females and potentially mothers and how we might work is gonna look different.
Jen Dugard (28:25.866)
They do it different. Yes, they do.
Anna Bradley (28:41.299)
You know, I don't have the capacity nor do I want to go back to work full time. I want to be able to have that flexibility. I want to be able to pick my kids up from school and you know, if they have something going on, I want to still be able to show up for it and things like that. So being able to design a business that works in that model rather than working full time in
in my business or on my business, that's really important to me and I guess that's what I like bring into my mentoring.
Jen Dugard (29:16.554)
Amazing. I have a kind of mum safe question. The EPs like personal trainers are not automatically trained in pre and postnatal, right? They are or they're not? No. Okay, cool. Yeah. What benefit, I know that you've gone on and you know, you're doing some amazing work with the women's health collective and things like that for Pete, for...
Anna Bradley (29:29.318)
so no, they're not. Yeah.
Jen Dugard (29:39.804)
what benefit did you get as an EP because we have EPs go do I fit inside mom safe? What is your perspective on that?
Anna Bradley (29:49.106)
Yeah, so I definitely think the training that you provide is definitely still very relevant to EPs. you know, whether that be safe return to exercise, like I've had some of my team members who've come and done that. I've done it myself through to being inside MUMSAFE because you're getting the education side of things, but you're also getting the business of
Jen Dugard (30:25.46)
my god. Yeah, it says your recording stopped for some reason. did your airpod die?
Jen Dugard (30:42.579)
Yeah.
Anna Bradley (31:07.357)
Wow, we've not done well with technology.
Jen Dugard (31:10.728)
I shouldn't have asked that last question. was like, maybe I don't need the last question. You know what, maybe I know let's I'll ask it. I know. Have you got any other headphones? Cause I can hear a lot of background noise. If you don't, it doesn't matter. That's all right. We'll do it with this. We'll do it as it is and see if we can see how it goes. Otherwise we'll just leave this bit out. I think it's recording everyone now. Yeah, cool. I'll just ask that question again. You don't have to go deep into it.
Anna Bradley (31:21.285)
No, I've only got... Yeah, I've only got my AirPods.
Jen Dugard (31:39.474)
Okay, so...
Jen Dugard (31:43.774)
So.
Anna, we have EPs who reach out to us from a Mumsafe perspective, and I'd love to get your take on the relevance and also the value that you potentially, and I know that you do a lot of mentoring yourself of EPs in the women's health space, but from a Mumsafe perspective, value and relevance does Mumsafe potentially have for other EPs?
Jen Dugard (32:20.637)
Can you not hear me?
Jen Dugard (32:24.839)
Not working? Can't hear me.
Jen Dugard (32:32.169)
Can you not hear me?
Anna Bradley (32:32.703)
No, it was saying trying to reconnect again. Okay, I can hear you now.
Jen Dugard (32:37.597)
Oh my god, I'm like, do we just bail on this question? Let me try it one more time and if it doesn't work, we will wrap it up. 32, 47. Anna, if there's any EPs listening and they've been kind of thinking about from a Mumsafe perspective, I got an email from an EP yesterday saying, how do I become a Mumsafe trainer? What do you feel like the benefits of Mumsafe would be for an exercise physiologist?
Anna Bradley (33:02.963)
Yeah, I still, and I've definitely gotten huge benefits over the years. So I've had team members who've done safe return to exercise. Obviously I've done it myself. And then the ongoing education that you guys provide. Like it's still, there's still a lot of crossover between PT and EP in this pregnancy postnatal space.
And at the end of the day, if we've got more people providing those services to women, it's gonna lift everyone across the industry and offer more opportunities for women to exercise. So that's really key from a bigger picture. But then you're also providing that business mentoring and you don't have to be an exercise physiologist or an allied health professional to understand service-based
businesses and you know get gain that education from there as well. I guess what we learn in our well at uni I think there's like one women's health subject it probably doesn't even barely touch you know it's like women's health across the lifespan or something like that and it's usually because I've been involved with some of the unis it's usually like a guest
I guess speaker, some of the stuff I've been involved in is like a panel discussion. So you're not even going in depth on, you know.
training considerations throughout pregnancy in the different trimesters. You're not even looking at specific return to exercise postnatally and things like that. yeah, I think there's still a lot that EPs can gain from joining MumSafe. And also the power that you've got of trainers nationally. I think you've even got people in New Zealand and the UK now. Again, we're lifting as a whole industry rather than trying to get
Jen Dugard (34:56.137)
Hmm.
Anna Bradley (34:58.485)
to turf wars of EP versus PT.
Jen Dugard (35:01.001)
Oh yeah absolutely I mean you know it's collaborate absolutely it's like collaboration over competition is the overarching message. Anna thank you so much for being with us today. If the sound for anyone listening and we will leave this a little bit on Anna's AirPods died so I hope that you've managed to bear with us for the last couple of minutes but Anna thank you so much I really appreciate you joining me I've loved being part of your journey and having that insight into the exercise physiology.
landscape and then watching you grow from that conversation in Bondi Junction to where you are now, two children later and all the amazing work that you're doing in the community. Thank you.
Anna Bradley (35:40.297)
Thank you, thanks for having me.
